From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Wed Apr 2 17:39:44 2025 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 23:39:44 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] allow wheel repair Message-ID: My wife's DD has two wheels that have ever so slight damage. One pic attached. One: does this look like it is bad enough it needs to be dealt with? (the other wheel is just about the same) Two: I have a guy who says he can do the work (he was working at a production body shop my company deals with) and says he can do it without taking the tyres off. Does not taking the tyres off sound right? Thanks guys Shop content...I pulled the wheel off the boss's car to get the pic in my shop? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One pic > attached. > > One: does this look like it is bad enough it needs to be dealt with? > (the other wheel is just about the same) > Two: I have a guy who says he can do the work (he was working at a > production body shop my company deals with) and says he can do it > without taking the tyres off. Does not taking the tyres off sound right? > > Thanks guys > > Shop content...I pulled the wheel off the boss's car to get the pic in > my shop? > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Apr 2 19:15:13 2025 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 18:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] allow wheel repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One: If the tires are holding pressure you don't HAVE to do anything. Two: I've had similar damage repaired; the wheels will look better, but won't be exactly like new. Usually, the damage is tigged-up, then ground to shape. I think the tires should be dismounted for best results, but can probably be done OK with tires mounted. . Bob On 4/2/2025 4:39 PM, Tim . wrote: > My wife's DD has two wheels that have ever so slight damage. One pic > attached. > > One: does this look like it is bad enough it needs to be dealt with? > (the other wheel is just about the same) > Two: I have a guy who says he can do the work (he was working at a > production body shop my company deals with) and says he can do it > without taking the tyres off. 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Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2025 6:39 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] allow wheel repair My wife's DD has two wheels that have ever so slight damage. One pic attached. One: does this look like it is bad enough it needs to be dealt with? (the other wheel is just about the same) Two: I have a guy who says he can do the work (he was working at a production body shop my company deals with) and says he can do it without taking the tyres off. Does not taking the tyres off sound right? Thanks guys Shop content...I pulled the wheel off the boss's car to get the pic in my shop? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 19:40:40 2025 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 21:40:40 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] allow wheel repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know that car dealers routinely have wheels repaired without taking the tires off when prepping used cars for resale. I have seen it done on a certified used car I purchased and wasn?t a problem. As long as it is just cosmetic damage - which as others have noted, appears to be the case here - the repair should be fine. It probably won?t be as long-lasting as a proper tire-off restoration, but it won?t cost near as much either. Jim > On Apr 2, 2025, at 9:15?PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > One: If the tires are holding pressure you don't HAVE to do anything. > > Two: I've had similar damage repaired; the wheels will look better, but won't be exactly like new. Usually, the damage is tigged-up, then ground to shape. I think the tires should be dismounted for best results, but can probably be done OK with tires mounted. . > > Bob > > On 4/2/2025 4:39 PM, Tim . wrote: >> My wife's DD has two wheels that have ever so slight damage. One pic attached. >> >> One: does this look like it is bad enough it needs to be dealt with? (the other wheel is just about the same) >> Two: I have a guy who says he can do the work (he was working at a production body shop my company deals with) and says he can do it without taking the tyres off. Does not taking the tyres off sound right? >> >> Thanks guys >> >> Shop content...I pulled the wheel off the boss's car to get the pic in my shop? >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I ended up putting cat doors on all my buildings so they can get in, and I even leave the windows and glove compartment doors open on my vehicles that I don't use often. I don't have a rodent problem anymore. When I first moved in, it was a constant battle inside and outside my house. But now, I got some great little friends that earn their keep! Moose From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: 04/03/2025 17:04 Subject: [Shop-talk] compat with squirrels Sent by: "Shop-talk" In a continuing battle with squirrels, I spent most of the day rewiring my utility trailer wiring where they had chewed it into pieces. I posted a pic if the battery cable terminals they destroyed before and after checking the wiring I looked at the terminals and they had started on them again this is the first set my only happy spot is that they will die a slow painful death from lead poisoning. So I've rewired the trailer wiring and put it in TWO layers of plastic loom ( I know...) for now but am looking for some type of sheathing to wrap it in that might be a rodent retardant... any suggestions ??? john_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 4:10?PM john niolon wrote: > In a continuing battle with squirrels, I spent most of the day rewiring my > utility trailer wiring where they had chewed it into pieces. > I posted a pic if the battery cable terminals they destroyed before and > after checking the wiring I looked at the terminals and they had started on > them again > this is the first set > > > my only happy spot is that they will die a slow painful death from lead > poisoning. > > So I've rewired the trailer wiring and put it in TWO layers of plastic > loom ( I know...) > for now but am looking for some type of sheathing to wrap it in that might > be a rodent > retardant... any suggestions ??? > > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My GT6 was likely too open and they came back, so I plugged in a Victor pest repeller like these with good results: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Victor-PestChaser-Mini-Electronic-Rodent-Repeller-with-Nightlight-3-Pack-Repels-Mice-and-Rats-M753K/309338797 Brian On 4/3/2025 1:59 PM, john niolon wrote: > In a continuing battle with squirrels, I spent most of the day > rewiring my utility trailer wiring where they had chewed it into pieces. > I posted a pic if the battery cable terminals they destroyed before > and after checking the wiring I looked at the terminals and they had > started on them again > this is the first set > my only happy spot is that they will die a slow painful death from > lead poisoning. > So I've rewired the trailer wiring and put it in TWO layers of plastic > loom ( I know...) > for now but am looking for some type of sheathing to wrap it in that > might be a?rodent > retardant... any suggestions ??? > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stuff smells like ass but it works. tim ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of john niolon Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2025 3:59 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] compat with squirrels In a continuing battle with squirrels, I spent most of the day rewiring my utility trailer wiring where they had chewed it into pieces. I posted a pic if the battery cable terminals they destroyed before and after checking the wiring I looked at the terminals and they had started on them again this is the first set [cid:1UkJhci7pa.1Oo9bXFQZZW at johns-desktop] my only happy spot is that they will die a slow painful death from lead poisoning. So I've rewired the trailer wiring and put it in TWO layers of plastic loom ( I know...) for now but am looking for some type of sheathing to wrap it in that might be a rodent retardant... any suggestions ??? john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One pic attached. > > One: does this look like it is bad enough it needs to be dealt with? (the other wheel is just about the same) > Two: I have a guy who says he can do the work (he was working at a production body shop my company deals with) and says he can do it without taking the tyres off. Does not taking the tyres off sound right? > > Thanks guys > > Shop content...I pulled the wheel off the boss's car to get the pic in my shop?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com Fri Apr 4 20:16:36 2025 From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 02:16:36 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] allow wheel repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. I saw a couple that said "cosmetic" repair and that made me wonder about how bad the damage actually is. Since the two areas of concern are on the inside and not cosmetically visible, I am going to do the full new tyre install process, drive the car on the freeway, and then see if there is anything noticeable in the drive. (at this point what we hear is tyre cupping noise so hope the two wheels with the minor damage are not actually affecting anything) So, again, thanks for the replies! ________________________________ From: Thomas Coradeschi Sent: Friday, April 4, 2025 4:45 PM To: Tim . Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] allow wheel repair I swear by Wheel Collision Repair in Bath PA. If they are not local to you, there is likely someone you can find more or less in your general area who is equally good. I would not (ever) trust someone who says that you can properly straighten an aluminum wheel with the tire still on it. Cold worked aluminum is brittle stuff, and that is not what you want in a wheel. Heat is the answer. https://www.wheelcollision.com/ ? Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On Apr 2, 2025, at 7:39?PM, Tim . wrote: > > My wife's DD has two wheels that have ever so slight damage. One pic attached. > > One: does this look like it is bad enough it needs to be dealt with? (the other wheel is just about the same) > Two: I have a guy who says he can do the work (he was working at a production body shop my company deals with) and says he can do it without taking the tyres off. Does not taking the tyres off sound right? > > Thanks guys > > Shop content...I pulled the wheel off the boss's car to get the pic in my shop?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Wed Apr 9 07:32:16 2025 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 09:32:16 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] =?utf-8?q?Determine_NEMA_outlet_type_if_it=E2=80=99s?= =?utf-8?q?_plugged_in=3F?= Message-ID: I?m dealing with a bunch of Schroedinger?s outlets here. All the outlets are in use so I can?t unplug them to look at the NEMA marking, but I need to replace the devices plugged in, which can be ordered with various plug types. Is there a way to tell from the outside what type I have? It?s round, which narrows it down to a few? Thanks, Jim From fishplate at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 09:48:19 2025 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 11:48:19 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] =?utf-8?q?Determine_NEMA_outlet_type_if_it=E2=80=99s?= =?utf-8?q?_plugged_in=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you wiggle it out part way to see the configuration? Maybe use your camera to snap a picture that you can examine at leisure? There's some risk of unpowering it, but unless they are medical devices, you may be able to handle that. On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 11:08?AM Jim Franklin wrote: > I?m dealing with a bunch of Schroedinger?s outlets here. All the outlets > are in use so I can?t unplug them to look at the NEMA marking, but I need > to replace the devices plugged in, which can be ordered with various plug > types. Is there a way to tell from the outside what type I have? It?s > round, which narrows it down to a few? > > Thanks, > Jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the >> outlets are in use so I can't unplug them to look at the NEMA marking, >> but I need to replace the devices plugged in, which can be ordered >> with various plug types. Is there a way to tell from the outside what >> type I have? It's round, which narrows it down to a few... >> >> Thanks, >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Wed Apr 9 10:15:45 2025 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 16:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] =?utf-8?q?Determine_NEMA_outlet_type_if_it=E2=80=99s?= =?utf-8?q?_plugged_in=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1705833107.3610506.1744215345379@mail.yahoo.com> Are these the TwistLock variety?? If so many of them look very similar but have subtle differences making them incompatible with other styles.? This is to make a 120V/20 amp different from a 220V20 amp so as to avoid the possibility of plugging a 120V device into a 220V circuit.? Or a 120V 30A device into a 20A circuit. You might be able to determine what styles you need from the nameplate ratings on the powered device.? In other words is it a 120V or a 220V device?? Of course if it dual voltage device it may be ambiguous. Dave On Wednesday, April 9, 2025 at 10:03:22 AM CDT, Jim Franklin wrote: I?m dealing with a bunch of Schroedinger?s outlets here. 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URL: From strovato at optonline.net Wed Apr 9 10:33:51 2025 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2025 12:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] compat with squirrels In-Reply-To: <1UkJhci7pg.27ni4H5aPOj@johns-desktop> References: <1UkJhci7pg.27ni4H5aPOj.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkJhci7pg.27ni4H5aPOj@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <67AD5FFC0A634075@altprdrgo06.altice.prod.cloud.openwave.ai> (added by postmaster@optonline.net) I have had the same battle, except with mice eating the wiring on my boat trailer. I have had reasonable success with a product like this: https://www.wirecare.com/category/braided-sleeving/heavy-duty-sleeving/rodent-resistant-sleeving/rrn1.25db-rodent-resistant-1-1-4-dark-brown-5-ft-cuts It is a sheathing impregnated with capsaicin, which is what makes chili peppers hot. I have not had any mice eat through this, but if there is any wire at all left unprotected, they manage to find it. You have to be careful with this stuff. Wear rubber gloves and do not touch your eyes or face or you will be very unhappy. -Steve At 04:59 PM 4/3/2025, john niolon wrote: >In a continuing battle with squirrels, I spent most of the day >rewiring my utility trailer wiring where they had chewed it into pieces. >I posted a pic if the battery cable terminals they destroyed before >and after checking the wiring I looked at the terminals and they had >started on them again >this is the first set > >[] > > >my only happy spot is that they will die a slow painful death from >lead poisoning. > >So I've rewired the trailer wiring and put it in TWO layers of >plastic loom ( I know...) >for now but am looking for some type of sheathing to wrap it in that >might be a rodent >retardant... any suggestions ??? > >john > > >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/strovato at optonline.net -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2267442.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19652 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jamesf at groupwbench.org Wed Apr 9 11:43:07 2025 From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (jamesf at groupwbench.org) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2025 17:43:07 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] =?utf-8?q?Determine_NEMA_outlet_type_if_it=E2=80=99s?= =?utf-8?q?_plugged_in=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1705833107.3610506.1744215345379@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1705833107.3610506.1744215345379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, twist lock. The devices in question are UPSs, and are 2880va, 120v units. And it may be confirmation bias, but 2880va/120v = 24a, which is 80% of 30a, the standard derating. So I'm inclined to believe they are L5-30, especially since one unused one in the rail of 10 outlets is (local guy was able to unplug an unused unit). Does that make sense or am I thinking wishfully here (I have an order ready to go for mew ones with L5-30 plugs, just waitng for the outlet specs). jim On 2025-04-09 16:15, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Are these the TwistLock variety? If so many of them look very similar > but have subtle differences making them incompatible with other styles. > This is to make a 120V/20 amp different from a 220V20 amp so as to > avoid the possibility of plugging a 120V device into a 220V circuit. > Or a 120V 30A device into a 20A circuit. > > You might be able to determine what styles you need from the nameplate > ratings on the powered device. In other words is it a 120V or a 220V > device? Of course if it dual voltage device it may be ambiguous. > > Dave > > On Wednesday, April 9, 2025 at 10:03:22 AM CDT, Jim Franklin > wrote: > > I'm dealing with a bunch of Schroedinger's outlets here. All the > outlets are in use so I can't unplug them to look at the NEMA marking, > but I need to replace the devices plugged in, which can be ordered with > various plug types. Is there a way to tell from the outside what type I > have? It's round, which narrows it down to a few... > > Thanks, > Jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org Wed Apr 9 13:12:31 2025 From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 15:12:31 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] =?utf-8?q?Determine_NEMA_outlet_type_if_it=E2=80=99s?= =?utf-8?q?_plugged_in=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <1705833107.3610506.1744215345379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19592570-4794-4904-a1d3-9cb095e88999@sackheads.org> Can you work backwards by having your local hands and eyes team send you the UPS model #s and then find the corresponding specs (or photos) from the manufacturer(s) ? On 4/9/25 13:43, jamesf at groupwbench.org wrote: > > Yes, twist lock. The devices in question are UPSs, and are 2880va, > 120v units. And it may be confirmation bias, but 2880va/120v = 24a, > which is 80% of 30a, the standard derating. So I'm inclined to believe > they are L5-30, especially since one unused one in the rail of 10 > outlets is (local guy was able to unplug an unused unit). Does that > make sense or am I thinking wishfully here (I have an order ready to > go for mew ones with L5-30 plugs, just waitng for the outlet specs). > > jim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 13:20:11 2025 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2025 19:20:11 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] =?utf-8?q?Determine_NEMA_outlet_type_if_it=E2=80=99s?= =?utf-8?q?_plugged_in=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <1705833107.3610506.1744215345379@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim - If they are UPSs (Uninterruptible Power Supply), if you unplug one/them the devices plugged into the UPS should just keep on working and not be affected. (Otherwise, there is a much larger problem here.) On the other hand, I am a jinx when it come to power failures and backup power. I have been present at more clients than I can remember where there was a loss of power and the backup failed. Each failure was different, but all when analyzed fell into the category of failure to adequately validate the system. So, in principle you SHOULD be able to unplug the UPS and see what kind of plug and outlet are there. But don't tell anyone you heard that from me!! ? =========================== Al Fuller 714.335.0248 Mobile ------ Original Message ------ >From jamesf at groupwbench.org To Shop-talk at autox.team.net Date 4/9/2025 10:43:07 AM Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Determine NEMA outlet type if it?s plugged in? >Yes, twist lock. The devices in question are UPSs, and are 2880va, 120v >units. And it may be confirmation bias, but 2880va/120v = 24a, which is >80% of 30a, the standard derating. So I'm inclined to believe they are >L5-30, especially since one unused one in the rail of 10 outlets is >(local guy was able to unplug an unused unit). Does that make sense or >am I thinking wishfully here (I have an order ready to go for mew ones >with L5-30 plugs, just waitng for the outlet specs). > >jim > >On 2025-04-09 16:15, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > >>Are these the TwistLock variety? If so many of them look very similar >>but have subtle differences making them incompatible with other >>styles. This is to make a 120V/20 amp different from a 220V20 amp so >>as to avoid the possibility of plugging a 120V device into a 220V >>circuit. Or a 120V 30A device into a 20A circuit. >> >>You might be able to determine what styles you need from the nameplate >>ratings on the powered device. In other words is it a 120V or a 220V >>device? Of course if it dual voltage device it may be ambiguous. >> >>Dave >> >> >> >>On Wednesday, April 9, 2025 at 10:03:22 AM CDT, Jim Franklin >> wrote: >> >> >>I'm dealing with a bunch of Schroedinger's outlets here. All the >>outlets are in use so I can't unplug them to look at the NEMA marking, >>but I need to replace the devices plugged in, which can be ordered >>with various plug types. Is there a way to tell from the outside what >>type I have? It's round, which narrows it down to a few... >> >>Thanks, >>Jim >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Shop-talk at autox.team.net >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>Archive: >>http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talkhttp://autox.team.net/archive >> >>Unsubscribe/Manage: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey at cs.com >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk13 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 9 13:31:47 2025 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2025 19:31:47 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] =?utf-8?q?Determine_NEMA_outlet_type_if_it=E2=80=99s?= =?utf-8?q?_plugged_in=3F?= Message-ID: <77b22ae7-1be0-8366-8a5c-61e348086e7a@earthlink.net> Can't speak to the plugs, but recommend periodic testing of UPS if the situation permits. I've had them either fail or indicate all is good, but on the slightest power dip, turn off. For home and smaller office UPS, I power off the load and plug the UPS into a switched power strip then plug in an electric heater with fan at about 1000W. I then flip off the power and make sure the UPS goes a few minutes. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Apr 9, 2025 12:09 PM To: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determine NEMA outlet type if it’s plugged in? Yes, twist lock. The devices in question are UPSs, and are 2880va, 120v units. And it may be confirmation bias, but 2880va/120v = 24a, which is 80% of 30a, the standard derating. So I'm inclined to believe they are L5-30, especially since one unused one in the rail of 10 outlets is (local guy was able to unplug an unused unit). Does that make sense or am I thinking wishfully here (I have an order ready to go for mew ones with L5-30 plugs, just waitng for the outlet specs). jim On 2025-04-09 16:15, DAVID MASSEY wrote: Are these the TwistLock variety? If so many of them look very similar but have subtle differences making them incompatible with other styles. This is to make a 120V/20 amp different from a 220V20 amp so as to avoid the possibility of plugging a 120V device into a 220V circuit. Or a 120V 30A device into a 20A circuit. You might be able to determine what styles you need from the nameplate ratings on the powered device. In other words is it a 120V or a 220V device? Of course if it dual voltage device it may be ambiguous. 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URL: From eric at megageek.com Fri Apr 11 14:29:00 2025 From: eric at megageek.com (Moose) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 16:29:00 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] bi-directional scan tool and smoke Message-ID: OK, so I have a evap leak and I realize that I need to upgrade to a bi-directional scan tool and smoke machine. I was looking at this unit from Bosch... ADS525X https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-3945-Professional-Diagnostic-Wireless/dp/B08D3X6QBZ/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-1 But then I see this one... thinkcar 689 with lifetime updates included. https://www.amazon.com/Thinkcar-ThinkScan-689-Bidirectional-Diagnostic/dp/B0DCFF7VGF/ref=sr_1_8_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-8-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1 So, for the guy that has to work on everyone's car that knows me. Will the thinkcar do the job for a 1/4 of the price (and not have to pay per year?) Or is there a better option? Note, I've gone this far without one of these, so it will not be used a ton, but I'm guessing I'll need it more and more moving forward. Next, smoke machine leak detector... Again, I don't need it often, but this is the second time I could use one, so I'll buy it. Will a cheap one work just as good for occasional use? I do want to get one that can tell if there is a leak as well (built in gauge.) Will this do the trick? https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RWAD4EXSCCHM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-ixQJ35F6pQ1W2mzLt4t0ppkuDp4e5py-xFrW7IGnftqM3WARUHgHEjiXiy0gDZ_mMyldsCf09mVv52ybxABYDlgku7_oZ2bXuXs5ZFNi0xOdcAEOn_adBFvRFdUWl2JQhN0ogtWbsJftxwlgOpRra_5iTFPE4nQwOqgv3Cn4y02j696ANNUDEAeXdj-aUpFHLaEC78bg1cFu_EYqobwZkb0MhU2ahkfOxLgjVP7L_w.rd3y-lKbKq3vCiJas-lNhU-CwANjIntKKr4tYcRVbSI&dib_tag=se&keywords=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2Bleak%2Bdetector&qid=1744403070&sprefix=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2B%2Caps%2C463&sr=8-4&th=1 Finally, Anyone in the NJ area that wants to use these ever, swing on by (this is so I can justify the cost!) Thanks! 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Thanks in advance. =========================== Al Fuller 714.335.0248 Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 15:00:01 2025 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 17:00:01 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] bi-directional scan tool and smoke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since I do all the work on my 50 year old cars, but take the newer ones to someone who already has the equipment and pay them instead, my only comment is that a lifetime subscription to updates will last only as long as they are doing business under that name. If it's not otherwise update able, then on some level it's a bit of a gamble. On Fri, Apr 11, 2025, 16:40 Moose wrote: > OK, so I have a evap leak and I realize that I need to upgrade to a > bi-directional scan tool and smoke machine. > > I was looking at this unit from Bosch... ADS525X > > https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-3945-Professional-Diagnostic-Wireless/dp/B08D3X6QBZ/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-1 > > But then I see this one... thinkcar 689 with lifetime updates included. > > https://www.amazon.com/Thinkcar-ThinkScan-689-Bidirectional-Diagnostic/dp/B0DCFF7VGF/ref=sr_1_8_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-8-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1 > > So, for the guy that has to work on everyone's car that knows me. Will > the thinkcar do the job for a 1/4 of the price (and not have to pay per > year?) > > Or is there a better option? > > Note, I've gone this far without one of these, so it will not be used a > ton, but I'm guessing I'll need it more and more moving forward. > > Next, smoke machine leak detector... > > Again, I don't need it often, but this is the second time I could use one, > so I'll buy it. Will a cheap one work just as good for occasional use? > > I do want to get one that can tell if there is a leak as well (built in > gauge.) > > Will this do the trick? > > https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RWAD4EXSCCHM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-ixQJ35F6pQ1W2mzLt4t0ppkuDp4e5py-xFrW7IGnftqM3WARUHgHEjiXiy0gDZ_mMyldsCf09mVv52ybxABYDlgku7_oZ2bXuXs5ZFNi0xOdcAEOn_adBFvRFdUWl2JQhN0ogtWbsJftxwlgOpRra_5iTFPE4nQwOqgv3Cn4y02j696ANNUDEAeXdj-aUpFHLaEC78bg1cFu_EYqobwZkb0MhU2ahkfOxLgjVP7 > L_w.rd3y-lKbKq3vCiJas-lNhU-CwANjIntKKr4tYcRVbSI&dib_tag=se&keywords=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2Bleak%2Bdetector&qid=1744403070&sprefix=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2B%2Caps%2C463&sr=8-4&th=1 > > > Finally, > Anyone in the NJ area that wants to use these ever, swing on by (this is > so I can justify the cost!) > > Thanks! > Moose > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbarre at juno.com Fri Apr 11 15:19:23 2025 From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 21:19:23 GMT Subject: [Shop-talk] bi-directional scan tool and smoke Message-ID: <20250411.171923.24385.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Moose, I recently bought a similar smoke machine off Amazon after watching one be successfully used on wheeler dealers. I recently bought an older Mercedes diesel and plan to use it on that. I say go for it - he with the most tools wins and you have a big jump on most of us! Life is short, get more tools! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Moose To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] bi-directional scan tool and smoke Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 16:29:00 -0400 OK, so I have a evap leak and I realize that I need to upgrade to a bi-directional scan tool and smoke machine. I was looking at this unit from Bosch... ADS525X https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-3945-Professional-Diagnostic-Wireless/dp/B08D3X6QBZ/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-1 But then I see this one... thinkcar 689 with lifetime updates included. https://www.amazon.com/Thinkcar-ThinkScan-689-Bidirectional-Diagnostic/dp/B0DCFF7VGF/ref=sr_1_8_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-8-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1 So, for the guy that has to work on everyone's car that knows me. Will the thinkcar do the job for a 1/4 of the price (and not have to pay per year?) Or is there a better option? Note, I've gone this far without one of these, so it will not be used a ton, but I'm guessing I'll need it more and more moving forward. Next, smoke machine leak detector... Again, I don't need it often, but this is the second time I could use one, so I'll buy it. Will a cheap one work just as good for occasional use? I do want to get one that can tell if there is a leak as well (built in gauge.) Will this do the trick? https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RWAD4EXSCCHM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-ixQJ35F6pQ1W2mzLt4t0ppkuDp4e5py-xFrW7IGnftqM3WARUHgHEjiXiy0gDZ_mMyldsCf09mVv52ybxABYDlgku7_oZ2bXuXs5ZFNi0xOdcAEOn_adBFvRFdUWl2JQhN0ogtWbsJftxwlgOpRra_5iTFPE4nQwOqgv3Cn4y02j696ANNUDEAeXdj-aUpFHLaEC78bg1cFu_EYqobwZkb0MhU2ahkfOxLgjVP7 L_w.rd3y-lKbKq3vCiJas-lNhU-CwANjIntKKr4tYcRVbSI&dib_tag=se&keywords=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2Bleak%2Bdetector&qid=1744403070&sprefix=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2B%2Caps%2C463&sr=8-4&th=1 Finally, Anyone in the NJ area that wants to use these ever, swing on by (this is so I can justify the cost!) Thanks! Moose From dirtbeard at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 16:11:03 2025 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 22:11:03 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Tank Restoration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.harborfreight.com/1-quart-evapo-rust-rust-remover-96433.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=21901739423&campaignid=21901739423&utm_content=173216738791&adsetid=173216738791&product=96433&store=27&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADAHb4cPl9HmCqfE0M46RhRquir52&gclid=CjwKCAjw--K_BhB5EiwAuwYoykg4eFEyuR4gp0bGrb_GaOl1B8nBnEQhrWaJm7RnmhYbsnsWCs3SQBoCOi0QAvD_BwE I used this to great effect on motorcycle tanks Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Al Fuller Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 1:59:54 PM To: Shop Talk ; Ahealey help Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Tank Restoration I am in the process of reviving a car that has sat for several years. The gas tank was partially full of old gas, which when pumped out brought out a lot of rust. As such, I am thinking I will be needing to clean out and restore the inside of this tank. Do any of you have experience with any of the gas tank restoration kits on the market? If so, please share your experience of using it and how it performed over time. I'm sure others will offer other opinions, such as 'just use muriatic acid', 'just use vinegar', 'just use Coca-Cola', etc... - So, I'll bite: If you have actually used something other than a commercial kit, please share those experiences, too! Thanks in advance. =========================== Al Fuller 714.335.0248 Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Fri Apr 11 16:16:48 2025 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 16:16:48 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] Happy Birthday! Message-ID: <85e4c81d-cad5-47eb-ae30-76726a27e4f8@bradakis.com> On April 11th, 1991, team.net became a new domain. 34 years ago, how time flies! Back then it was just two lists, autox and british-cars. My, things have changed. At its peak, there were 77 lists, I think, stemming from splitting the british-cars list into Triumph, MG, Healey, etc lists. And shop-talk and the-local and Datsun roadsters and Bricklin and ... you get the idea. While Team Net is no longer the only show in town as it was back in the early days, there are still just over 30 lists. About half a dozen of these see daily, or almost daily, traffic. Some see hardly any use at all. Back in the mid nineties, the autox list would see like a thousand messages in August, leading up to the Nationals. I think the one and only year I attended, '97, about 2/3rds of the entrants were on Team Net. Lost track of how many stickers I sold. Still have a few somewhere in my office. As I recall, the very first server I set up at home was top of the line, with a 120 MHz processor. Attached is the label for that box. Cost me $2,500. See the photo for the specs :-) Actually, it didn't cost ME much money. Before Team Net came about, I had a fundraiser. Back then, having an internet connection at home was not cheap. I think I raised like $3,000 which got us started down this trail. Still accepting donations, though the semi-annual fund drives are a thing of the past. When folks see fit and have a few bucks to spare, they visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often! Yep, it has been over 3 decades I have been doing this, a lot of effort. Back in the day it would take me at least 10 - 15 hours a week dealing with errors, bounced mail, maintaining some of the web pages and so on. All that effort did land me a berth in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. That was nice. And I plan on keeping it going as long as I am physically able. Anyway, happy birthday Team.Net! mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20250411_131842.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 466223 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eric at megageek.com Fri Apr 11 16:24:30 2025 From: eric at megageek.com (Moose) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 18:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Tank Restoration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd be interested in this as well. I have a diesel bulldozer that needs it's tank cleaned out. I was thinking of just cutting the tank in half, cleaning it and welding it back together. I understand there are safety concerns, but it's diesel, so it will just burn and smoke, not exploded. (unless I'm doing my math wrong.) 8>) Moose From: "Al Fuller" To: "Shop Talk" , "Ahealey help" Date: 04/11/2025 17:53 Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Tank Restoration Sent by: "Shop-talk" I am in the process of reviving a car that has sat for several years. The gas tank was partially full of old gas, which when pumped out brought out a lot of rust. As such, I am thinking I will be needing to clean out and restore the inside of this tank. Do any of you have experience with any of the gas tank restoration kits on the market? If so, please share your experience of using it and how it performed over time. I'm sure others will offer other opinions, such as 'just use muriatic acid', 'just use vinegar', 'just use Coca-Cola', etc... - So, I'll bite: If you have actually used something other than a commercial kit, please share those experiences, too! Thanks in advance. =========================== Al Fuller 714.335.0248 Mobile _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 16:28:38 2025 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 18:28:38 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Tank Restoration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CF8DC72-1651-4A66-831B-37D5694B6EBC@gmail.com> I did the tanks on my Alpine about 20 years ago using the Bill Hirsch kit (https://www.hirschauto.com/Gas-Tank-Sealer-Repair/products/4/) and they still look like new. (Alpine tanks were painted inside from the factory and the paint was good for about 30 years. Unfortunately?) The hardest part was cleaning the inside of the tank. Rust wasn?t as big an issue as sludge and old paint. I did just about everything I could think of, from electrolytic derusting to paint remover. All of that helped but I never got them completely clean until I used muriatic acid. There is an article on the Alpine club?s home page documenting the cleaning trials and tribulations that one member went through that you might find helpful. https://sunbeamalpine.org/2008/12/23/how-to-clean-and-seal-gas-tanks/ > On Apr 11, 2025, at 4:59?PM, Al Fuller wrote: > > I am in the process of reviving a car that has sat for several years. The gas tank was partially full of old gas, which when pumped out brought out a lot of rust. As such, I am thinking I will be needing to clean out and restore the inside of this tank. > > Do any of you have experience with any of the gas tank restoration kits on the market? If so, please share your experience of using it and how it performed over time. > > I'm sure others will offer other opinions, such as 'just use muriatic acid', 'just use vinegar', 'just use Coca-Cola', etc... - So, I'll bite: If you have actually used something other than a commercial kit, please share those experiences, too! > > Thanks in advance. > > =========================== > Al Fuller > 714.335.0248 Mobile > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhlocker at protonmail.com Fri Apr 11 17:20:29 2025 From: dhlocker at protonmail.com (dhlocker) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 23:20:29 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] bi-directional scan tool and smoke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: May I point out, again, that in almost all cases, everything in a link that follows a '?' is tracking information that various companies use to follow where you found the link, who posted it, and how far it's propagated. The Boxch product can be found at https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-3945-Professional-Diagnostic-Wireless/dp/B08D3X6QBZ/ref=sr_1_1 without exposing Moose and his search terms to Amazon's tracking system. The ThinkScan product can be found at https://www.amazon.com/Thinkcar-ThinkScan-689-Bidirectional-Diagnostic/dp/B0DCFF7VGF/ref=sr_1_8_sspa again, without tracking And, finally, the Autotool item: https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4 Donald. On 4/11/25 16:29, Moose wrote: > OK, so I have a evap leak and I realize that I need to upgrade to a bi-directional scan tool and smoke machine. > > I was looking at this unit from Bosch... ADS525X > https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-3945-Professional-Diagnostic-Wireless/dp/B08D3X6QBZ/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-1 > > But then I see this one... thinkcar 689 with lifetime updates included. > https://www.amazon.com/Thinkcar-ThinkScan-689-Bidirectional-Diagnostic/dp/B0DCFF7VGF/ref=sr_1_8_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-8-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1 > > So, for the guy that has to work on everyone's car that knows me. Will the thinkcar do the job for a 1/4 of the price (and not have to pay per year?) > > Or is there a better option? > > Note, I've gone this far without one of these, so it will not be used a ton, but I'm guessing I'll need it more and more moving forward. > > Next, smoke machine leak detector... > > Again, I don't need it often, but this is the second time I could use one, so I'll buy it. Will a cheap one work just as good for occasional use? > > I do want to get one that can tell if there is a leak as well (built in gauge.) > > Will this do the trick? > > [https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RWAD4EXSCCHM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-ixQJ35F6pQ1W2mzLt4t0ppkuDp4e5py-xFrW7IGnftqM3WARUHgHEjiXiy0gDZ_mMyldsCf09mVv52ybxABYDlgku7_oZ2bXuXs5ZFNi0xOdcAEOn_adBFvRFdUWl2JQhN0ogtWbsJftxwlgOpRra_5iTFPE4nQwOqgv3Cn4y02j696ANNUDEAeXdj-aUpFHLaEC78bg1cFu_EYqobwZkb0MhU2ahkfOxLgjVP7 L_w.rd3y-lKbKq3vCiJas-lNhU-CwANjIntKKr4tYcRVbSI&dib_tag=se&keywords=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2Bleak%2Bdetector&qid=1744403070&sprefix=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2B%2Caps%2C463&sr=8-4&th=1](https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RWAD4EXSCCHM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-ixQJ35F6pQ1W2mzLt4t0ppkuDp4e5py-xFrW7IGnftqM3WARUHgHEjiXiy0gDZ_mMyldsCf09mVv52ybxABYDlgku7_oZ2bXuXs5ZFNi0xOdcAEOn_adBFvRFdUWl2JQhN0ogtWbsJftxwlgOpRra_5iTFPE4nQwOqgv3Cn4y02j696ANNUDEAeXdj-aUpFHLaEC78bg1cFu_EYqobwZkb0MhU2ahkfOxLgjVP7L_w.rd3y-lKbKq3vCiJas-lNhU-CwANjIntKKr4tYcRVbSI&dib_tag=se&keywords=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2Bleak%2Bdetector&qid=1744403070&sprefix=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2B%2Caps%2C463&sr=8-4&th=1) > > Finally, > Anyone in the NJ area that wants to use these ever, swing on by (this is so I can justify the cost!) > > Thanks! > Moose -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 18:21:57 2025 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 20:21:57 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] bi-directional scan tool and smoke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D6F17D9-8C5A-4903-997C-B1F0CBC26A67@gmail.com> I know absolutely nothing about bi-directional scan tools, but I frequently check Fakespot as one source of input on reviews from companies I know nothing about. FWIW, here is a screenshot of what Fakespot says about this scanner and the company: ? > On Apr 11, 2025, at 4:29?PM, Moose wrote: > > OK, so I have a evap leak and I realize that I need to upgrade to a bi-directional scan tool and smoke machine. > > I was looking at this unit from Bosch... ADS525X > https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-3945-Professional-Diagnostic-Wireless/dp/B08D3X6QBZ/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-1 > > But then I see this one... thinkcar 689 with lifetime updates included. > https://www.amazon.com/Thinkcar-ThinkScan-689-Bidirectional-Diagnostic/dp/B0DCFF7VGF/ref=sr_1_8_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-8-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1 > > So, for the guy that has to work on everyone's car that knows me. Will the thinkcar do the job for a 1/4 of the price (and not have to pay per year?) > > Or is there a better option? > > Note, I've gone this far without one of these, so it will not be used a ton, but I'm guessing I'll need it more and more moving forward. > > Next, smoke machine leak detector... > > Again, I don't need it often, but this is the second time I could use one, so I'll buy it. Will a cheap one work just as good for occasional use? > > I do want to get one that can tell if there is a leak as well (built in gauge.) > > Will this do the trick? > > https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RWAD4EXSCCHM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-ixQJ35F6pQ1W2mzLt4t0ppkuDp4e5py-xFrW7IGnftqM3WARUHgHEjiXiy0gDZ_mMyldsCf09mVv52ybxABYDlgku7_oZ2bXuXs5ZFNi0xOdcAEOn_adBFvRFdUWl2JQhN0ogtWbsJftxwlgOpRra_5iTFPE4nQwOqgv3Cn4y02j696ANNUDEAeXdj-aUpFHLaEC78bg1cFu_EYqobwZkb0MhU2ahkfOxLgjVP7 L_w.rd3y-lKbKq3vCiJas-lNhU-CwANjIntKKr4tYcRVbSI&dib_tag=se&keywords=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2Bleak%2Bdetector&qid=1744403070&sprefix=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2B%2Caps%2C463&sr=8-4&th=1 > > Finally, > Anyone in the NJ area that wants to use these ever, swing on by (this is so I can justify the cost!) > > Thanks! > Moose > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't remember what it cost but it wasn't that bad. Check and see if you've got any radiator shops near you and what they'd charge. JohnT, John T. Blair? WA4OHZ???? email:? jblair1948 at cox.netVa. Beach, Va????????????????? Phone:? (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800??? 48 #4 Midget??? 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) ???? 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)??? 77 Spitfire??? 71 Saab Sonett III ?????????????????????? 65 Rambler Classic Morgan:??? http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin:???? http://www.bricklin.orgIf you can read this???????????? - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: ???? e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." ???? In God We Trust ???? Liberty - the? power? of? choosing,? thinking,? and? acting? for? ????????????????? oneself; freedom? from? control? or? restriction? | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Particularly in the pre-Internet era, you created a critical platform of newsgroups for us that were not available other than through commercial dialup platforms such as Prodigy back then. I too am an old IT professional who can still tell you the differences among the 8088, 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486 processors leading up to your breakthrough Pentium processor with 3 million transistors and an external 64-bit bus. We thought we had hit "data heaven" with the Pentium. ;-) Thank you again for all that you have done for us, for all the engines and gearboxes that have been rebuilt due to the knowledge and information shared through your groups. Thank you also for all of the social connections and friendships that you have enabled amongst the gearheads. Team.net has been a transformational platform, uniting disparate, unconnected gearheads in garages across the world into vibrant, focused communities that have been instrumental to our abilities to obtain and share critical, and oftentimes, little known or esoteric information necessary to revive specific makes and models of classic machinery that otherwise may have wasted away, collecting dust in the corner. You and Team.net have been responsible for me and many others to be able to keep our beloved old machines on the road and running well. Thank you, Mark. Best regards, Douglas Shook Los Angeles, CA USA On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 6:36?PM Mark Bradakis wrote: > On April 11th, 1991, team.net became a new domain. 34 years ago, how > time flies! Back then it was just two lists, autox and british-cars. > My, things have changed. At its peak, there were 77 lists, I think, > stemming from splitting the british-cars list into Triumph, MG, Healey, > etc lists. And shop-talk and the-local and Datsun roadsters and > Bricklin and ... you get the idea. > > While Team Net is no longer the only show in town as it was back in the > early days, there are still just over 30 lists. About half a dozen of > these see daily, or almost daily, traffic. Some see hardly any use at > all. Back in the mid nineties, the autox list would see like a thousand > messages in August, leading up to the Nationals. I think the one and > only year I attended, '97, about 2/3rds of the entrants were on Team > Net. Lost track of how many stickers I sold. Still have a few > somewhere in my office. > > As I recall, the very first server I set up at home was top of the line, > with a 120 MHz processor. Attached is the label for that box. Cost me > $2,500. See the photo for the specs :-) Actually, it didn't cost ME > much money. Before Team Net came about, I had a fundraiser. Back then, > having an internet connection at home was not cheap. I think I raised > like $3,000 which got us started down this trail. > > Still accepting donations, though the semi-annual fund drives are a > thing of the past. When folks see fit and have a few bucks to spare, > they visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often! > > Yep, it has been over 3 decades I have been doing this, a lot of effort. > Back in the day it would take me at least 10 - 15 hours a week dealing > with errors, bounced mail, maintaining some of the web pages and so on. > All that effort did land me a berth in the British Sports Car Hall of > Fame. That was nice. > > And I plan on keeping it going as long as I am physically able. > > Anyway, happy birthday Team.Net! > > mjb._______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From watsonm05 at comcast.net Sat Apr 12 07:05:04 2025 From: watsonm05 at comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 15:05:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Shop-talk] bi-directional scan tool and smoke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2076342000.398909.1744463104531@connect.xfinity.com> Donald, Thanks so much for sharing this tip. I've been using it for pasting links into emails since this first time I saw it which, I think, was from you. However, the next habit to be formed is to remember to copy the link, paste it in the URL field, *** delete the tracking crap ***, then press enter. Shop Talk relevant content: I did follow Moose's links and the items looked interesting but I've stepped back from much of the car work due to physical concerns. I was planning on retiring this year anyway but got lucky and was offered a sweet severance package to leave. So, I'm going to try to reverse (or at least slow down) those issues because I have a very long mostly self-imposed honey-do list that I need to tackle before everything on my body goes to crap ;-). And that list includes taking the junk-dump and turning it back into a garage. Thanks again for the helpful tracking-fighting tip! Mark > On 04/11/2025 7:20 PM EDT dhlocker wrote: > > > > May I point out, again, that in almost all cases, everything in a link that follows a '?' is tracking information that various companies use to follow where you found the link, who posted it, and how far it's propagated. > > The Boxch product can be found at https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-3945-Professional-Diagnostic-Wireless/dp/B08D3X6QBZ/ref=sr_1_1 without exposing Moose and his search terms to Amazon's tracking system. > > The ThinkScan product can be found at https://www.amazon.com/Thinkcar-ThinkScan-689-Bidirectional-Diagnostic/dp/B0DCFF7VGF/ref=sr_1_8_sspa again, without tracking > > And, finally, the Autotool item: https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4 > > Donald. > > On 4/11/25 16:29, Moose wrote: > > > OK, so I have a evap leak and I realize that I need to upgrade to a bi-directional scan tool and smoke machine. > > > > I was looking at this unit from Bosch... ADS525X > > https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-3945-Professional-Diagnostic-Wireless/dp/B08D3X6QBZ/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-3945-Professional-Diagnostic-Wireless/dp/B08D3X6QBZ/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-1 > > > > But then I see this one... thinkcar 689 with lifetime updates included. > > https://www.amazon.com/Thinkcar-ThinkScan-689-Bidirectional-Diagnostic/dp/B0DCFF7VGF/ref=sr_1_8_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-8-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/Thinkcar-ThinkScan-689-Bidirectional-Diagnostic/dp/B0DCFF7VGF/ref=sr_1_8_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lYQwkiu--RYm6Yt-uGPK30Bv3wx2aPOZncQOs3-WSx0NUbS9dXU5NLDXomgQCZeb.qs_AKi-xlKGj6QgI_s7OI1lXt3h2xIoCyuYzCI8fru4&dib_tag=se&keywords=bosch+ads+525x&qid=1744402691&sr=8-8-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1 > > > > So, for the guy that has to work on everyone's car that knows me. Will the thinkcar do the job for a 1/4 of the price (and not have to pay per year?) > > > > Or is there a better option? > > > > Note, I've gone this far without one of these, so it will not be used a ton, but I'm guessing I'll need it more and more moving forward. > > > > Next, smoke machine leak detector... > > > > Again, I don't need it often, but this is the second time I could use one, so I'll buy it. Will a cheap one work just as good for occasional use? > > > > I do want to get one that can tell if there is a leak as well (built in gauge.) > > > > Will this do the trick? > > > > https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RWAD4EXSCCHM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-ixQJ35F6pQ1W2mzLt4t0ppkuDp4e5py-xFrW7IGnftqM3WARUHgHEjiXiy0gDZ_mMyldsCf09mVv52ybxABYDlgku7_oZ2bXuXs5ZFNi0xOdcAEOn_adBFvRFdUWl2JQhN0ogtWbsJftxwlgOpRra_5iTFPE4nQwOqgv3Cn4y02j696ANNUDEAeXdj-aUpFHLaEC78bg1cFu_EYqobwZkb0MhU2ahkfOxLgjVP7 L_w.rd3y-lKbKq3vCiJas-lNhU-CwANjIntKKr4tYcRVbSI&dib_tag=se&keywords=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2Bleak%2Bdetector&qid=1744403070&sprefix=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2B%2Caps%2C463&sr=8-4&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/AUTOOL-Automotive-Detector-Diagnostic-Compatible/dp/B0BGB41DLK/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RWAD4EXSCCHM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-ixQJ35F6pQ1W2mzLt4t0ppkuDp4e5py-xFrW7IGnftqM3WARUHgHEjiXiy0gDZ_mMyldsCf09mVv52ybxABYDlgku7_oZ2bXuXs5ZFNi0xOdcAEOn_adBFvRFdUWl2JQhN0ogtWbsJftxwlgOpRra_5iTFPE4nQwOqgv3Cn4y02j696ANNUDEAeXdj-aUpFHLaEC78bg1cFu_EYqobwZkb0MhU2ahkfOxLgjVP7L_w.rd3y-lKbKq3vCiJas-lNhU-CwANjIntKKr4tYcRVbSI&dib_tag=se&keywords=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2Bleak%2Bdetector&qid=1744403070&sprefix=car%2Bsmoke%2Bmachine%2B%2Caps%2C463&sr=8-4&th=1 > > > > Finally, > > Anyone in the NJ area that wants to use these ever, swing on by (this is so I can justify the cost!) > > > > Thanks! > > Moose > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watsonm05 at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjcora at icloud.com Sat Apr 12 08:24:47 2025 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 10:24:47 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Tank Restoration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kreem and POR-15 have been the long time Go To solutions for this problem. That said, I?ve got no personal experience with either system. ? Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On Apr 11, 2025, at 4:59?PM, Al Fuller wrote: > > I am in the process of reviving a car that has sat for several years. The gas tank was partially full of old gas, which when pumped out brought out a lot of rust. As such, I am thinking I will be needing to clean out and restore the inside of this tank. > > Do any of you have experience with any of the gas tank restoration kits on the market? If so, please share your experience of using it and how it performed over time. > > I'm sure others will offer other opinions, such as 'just use muriatic acid', 'just use vinegar', 'just use Coca-Cola', etc... - So, I'll bite: If you have actually used something other than a commercial kit, please share those experiences, too! > > Thanks in advance. > > =========================== > Al Fuller > 714.335.0248 Mobile > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com From tjcora at icloud.com Sat Apr 12 08:27:13 2025 From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 10:27:13 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Happy Birthday! In-Reply-To: <85e4c81d-cad5-47eb-ae30-76726a27e4f8@bradakis.com> References: <85e4c81d-cad5-47eb-ae30-76726a27e4f8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark - how time does fly! Mailing lists aren?t what they used to be, in terms of popularity, but for Olde Phartes like me, at least, they are certainly preferable to the forum madness? We shut down the Internet BMR Riders lists last year - not enough use to justify paying the bills to keep them running. Like this, that was something which germinated around 30 years ago. Thanks for making it all happen! ? Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On Apr 11, 2025, at 6:16?PM, Mark Bradakis wrote: > > On April 11th, 1991, team.net became a new domain. 34 years ago, how time flies! Back then it was just two lists, autox and british-cars. My, things have changed. At its peak, there were 77 lists, I think, stemming from splitting the british-cars list into Triumph, MG, Healey, etc lists. And shop-talk and the-local and Datsun roadsters and Bricklin and ... you get the idea. > > While Team Net is no longer the only show in town as it was back in the early days, there are still just over 30 lists. About half a dozen of these see daily, or almost daily, traffic. Some see hardly any use at all. Back in the mid nineties, the autox list would see like a thousand messages in August, leading up to the Nationals. I think the one and only year I attended, '97, about 2/3rds of the entrants were on Team Net. Lost track of how many stickers I sold. Still have a few somewhere in my office. > > As I recall, the very first server I set up at home was top of the line, with a 120 MHz processor. Attached is the label for that box. Cost me $2,500. See the photo for the specs :-) Actually, it didn't cost ME much money. Before Team Net came about, I had a fundraiser. Back then, having an internet connection at home was not cheap. I think I raised like $3,000 which got us started down this trail. > > Still accepting donations, though the semi-annual fund drives are a thing of the past. When folks see fit and have a few bucks to spare, they visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often! > > Yep, it has been over 3 decades I have been doing this, a lot of effort. Back in the day it would take me at least 10 - 15 hours a week dealing with errors, bounced mail, maintaining some of the web pages and so on. All that effort did land me a berth in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. That was nice. > > And I plan on keeping it going as long as I am physically able. > > Anyway, happy birthday Team.Net! > > mjb._______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20250411_131842.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 466223 bytes Desc: not available URL: From 1789alpine at gmail.com Sat Apr 12 09:14:05 2025 From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 11:14:05 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] Happy Birthday! In-Reply-To: <85e4c81d-cad5-47eb-ae30-76726a27e4f8@bradakis.com> References: <85e4c81d-cad5-47eb-ae30-76726a27e4f8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <76A9F0FE-05F7-46C7-BDC0-C433477CE773@gmail.com> Happy Birthday, team.net! I don?t always remember to donate to help keep this list going and this was a nice reminder that it has been too long I just sent $34 to honor the occasion, which I mention here not to garner thanks, but hopefully to encourage others to do the same. Jim > On Apr 11, 2025, at 6:16?PM, Mark Bradakis wrote: > > On April 11th, 1991, team.net became a new domain. 34 years ago, how time flies! Back then it was just two lists, autox and british-cars. My, things have changed. At its peak, there were 77 lists, I think, stemming from splitting the british-cars list into Triumph, MG, Healey, etc lists. And shop-talk and the-local and Datsun roadsters and Bricklin and ... you get the idea. > > While Team Net is no longer the only show in town as it was back in the early days, there are still just over 30 lists. About half a dozen of these see daily, or almost daily, traffic. Some see hardly any use at all. Back in the mid nineties, the autox list would see like a thousand messages in August, leading up to the Nationals. I think the one and only year I attended, '97, about 2/3rds of the entrants were on Team Net. Lost track of how many stickers I sold. Still have a few somewhere in my office. > > As I recall, the very first server I set up at home was top of the line, with a 120 MHz processor. Attached is the label for that box. Cost me $2,500. See the photo for the specs :-) Actually, it didn't cost ME much money. Before Team Net came about, I had a fundraiser. Back then, having an internet connection at home was not cheap. I think I raised like $3,000 which got us started down this trail. > > Still accepting donations, though the semi-annual fund drives are a thing of the past. When folks see fit and have a few bucks to spare, they visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often! > > Yep, it has been over 3 decades I have been doing this, a lot of effort. Back in the day it would take me at least 10 - 15 hours a week dealing with errors, bounced mail, maintaining some of the web pages and so on. All that effort did land me a berth in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. That was nice. > > And I plan on keeping it going as long as I am physically able. > > Anyway, happy birthday Team.Net! > > mjb.<20250411_131842.jpg>_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine at gmail.com > From dirtbeard at gmail.com Sat Apr 12 10:00:24 2025 From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 16:00:24 +0000 Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Tank Restoration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used Kreem years ago to encapsulate rust on a tank and it held for 10 years until alcohol petrol started dissolving it and the flakes ended up plugging the fuel lines, fuel filter and pilot jets. It was quite a mess to clean. I needed to use acetone to remove the Kreem and then used Evapo-rust to remove the underlying rust. I had traces of Kreem fouling the fuel system for quite some time. I probably would not use another tank liner as a result of my experiences. Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Thomas Coradeschi Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2025 7:24:47 AM To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gas Tank Restoration Kreem and POR-15 have been the long time Go To solutions for this problem. That said, I?ve got no personal experience with either system. ? Tom Coradeschi tjcora at icloud.com > On Apr 11, 2025, at 4:59?PM, Al Fuller wrote: > > I am in the process of reviving a car that has sat for several years. The gas tank was partially full of old gas, which when pumped out brought out a lot of rust. As such, I am thinking I will be needing to clean out and restore the inside of this tank. > > Do any of you have experience with any of the gas tank restoration kits on the market? If so, please share your experience of using it and how it performed over time. > > I'm sure others will offer other opinions, such as 'just use muriatic acid', 'just use vinegar', 'just use Coca-Cola', etc... - So, I'll bite: If you have actually used something other than a commercial kit, please share those experiences, too! > > Thanks in advance. > > =========================== > Al Fuller > 714.335.0248 Mobile > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora at icloud.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From eric at megageek.com Wed Apr 30 11:17:41 2025 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 13:17:41 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw In-Reply-To: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> References: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> Message-ID: I can tell you that the Milwaukee one works great. DO NOT buy the dewalt one. This is coming from someone that LOVES and owns almost exclusively Dewalt. Moose From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: 04/30/2025 12:57 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw Sent by: "Shop-talk" since I'm an old guy I'm considering buying a battery chain saw.. with 75 oak trees on the lot I get lots of dropped limbs in the winter from 1" up to 3" and I think this is easier than manual saw...especially since I saw my 92 year old neighbor destroying yard debris using one in one hand, the other holding the limb.; any recommendations on brand, voltage, size... budget is a consideration as is weight... remember, I'm an old guy thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fitzgibbontm at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 11:21:41 2025 From: fitzgibbontm at gmail.com (Tom FitzGibbon) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 13:21:41 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw In-Reply-To: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> References: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> Message-ID: John, I have this one 20V MAX* XR? 12 in. Brushless Cordless Compact Chainsaw (Tool Only) | DEWALT , but largely because I selected the DeWalt 20v Max battery ecosystem for my cordless tools generally. It works well and is not particularly power hungry so I get pretty good run time. Like you, I use it to clean up downed limbs from oak trees. I would use something bigger and more robust for felling trees, but for cleaning up deadfall up to a few inches in diameter it works well. Tom On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:06?PM john niolon wrote: > since I'm an old guy I'm considering buying a battery chain saw.. with 75 > oak trees on the lot I get lots of dropped limbs in the winter from 1" up > to 3" and I think this is easier than manual saw...especially since I saw > my 92 year old neighbor destroying yard debris > using one in one hand, the other holding the limb.; > > any recommendations on brand, voltage, size... budget is a consideration > as is weight... remember, I'm an old guy > > thanks > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fitzgibbontm at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org Wed Apr 30 11:29:38 2025 From: mayfield+shoptalk at sackheads.org (Jimmie Mayfield) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 13:29:38 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw In-Reply-To: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> References: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <398fe68c-fb54-4ad3-a69e-487dc6fd4ec2@sackheads.org> I have a 16-inch (or maybe it's an 18-inch) Ego chain saw.? It cuts as well as my gas Craftsman saw but doesn't leave me covered with 2-cycle smoke.? It's overkill for pruning small limbs, though.? For your use-case, I think I'd be inclined to try one of those 12-inch Dewalt chainsaws.? I don't have one of those but they seem ideal for small storm cleanup. If most of your limbs tend to be 1-inch or smaller, Dewalt and other tool companies make a battery-powered bypass pruner.? I have one and it's one of the few tools in my garage that gives me the heebie-jeebies but it works great on small sticks and limbs.?? Just be very mindful of where your off hand is when you operate it.? I'm sure its blade will cut through bone just as easily as it'll cut through a 1-inch stick. Finally, if you want lightweight and one-handed operation, don't rule out using a Hackzall with a GOOD pruning blade.? I use 12-inch Bosch blades on my M12 Hackzall for small stuff that's too big for the bypass pruner.? Slower than a chainsaw but it beats using a manual saw. On 4/30/25 12:52, john niolon wrote: > since I'm an old guy I'm considering buying a battery chain saw..? > with 75 oak trees on the lot I get lots of dropped limbs in the winter > from 1" up to 3" and I think this is easier than manual > saw...especially since I saw my 92 year old neighbor destroying yard > debris > using one in one hand, the other holding the limb.; > any recommendations on brand, voltage, size...? budget is a > consideration as is weight... remember, I'm an old guy > thanks > john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdinnis at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 12:26:10 2025 From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 13:26:10 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw In-Reply-To: References: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> Message-ID: I have the Dewalt saw, and I disagree. It has worked great for me. but there are actually at least 4 different models in the Dewalt line up. I have the "OG" 20V saw with the 16" bar from when they first came out, the 20V 8" pole saw" and the 60V 20" saw that came out about a year ago. All work great for me. The 60V saw has completely replaced my gas powered 20" Stihl. On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 12:29?PM wrote: > I can tell you that the Milwaukee one works great. DO NOT buy the dewalt > one. This is coming from someone that LOVES and owns almost exclusively > Dewalt. > > Moose > > > > From: "john niolon" > To: "shop-talk" > Date: 04/30/2025 12:57 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------ > > > > since I'm an old guy I'm considering buying a battery chain saw.. with 75 > oak trees on the lot I get lots of dropped limbs in the winter from 1" up > to 3" and I think this is easier than manual saw...especially since I saw > my 92 year old neighbor destroying yard debris > using one in one hand, the other holding the limb.; > > any recommendations on brand, voltage, size... budget is a consideration > as is weight... remember, I'm an old guy > > thanks > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From battmain at yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 14:46:49 2025 From: battmain at yahoo.com (Battmain) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 20:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw In-Reply-To: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> References: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> Message-ID: <1402150593.3752023.1746046009887@mail.yahoo.com> I picked up one of the cheap Chinese 8" handhelds. Came with two batteries.? It has been surprisingly versatile. Went through seriously thick palm trees that I thought would kill it.? A few annoyances with it--having to stop to clean debris, otherwise it will jam (battery pull/re-insert required) and the chain cover is an exercise in patience every time it gets removed.? It leaks chain oil, so it's fill to use and drain and clean when done.? Not having to manually cut limbs has been great.? The chain is dull now and I have another chain somewhere.? The only time I use the manual saw is to cut long limbs to fit the the garbage can because I don't feel like filling, draining, cleaning up chain oil, but if I time it right, The pile of limbs is done the same day as the other cutting. For Oak, IMO, unless you get two batteries, you might be limiting yourself with how much you can cut in a session.? At least with Gas, you can just refill and go, even with 2 strokes you can still get from China.? With batteries, you might kill both because the first has not finished recharging by the time the second battery dies.?? Brian On Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 01:03:37 PM EDT, john niolon wrote: since I'm an old guy I'm considering buying a battery chain saw..? with 75 oak trees on the lot I get lots of dropped limbs in the winter from 1" up to 3" and I think this is easier than manual saw...especially since I saw my 92 year old neighbor destroying yard debris"?using one in one hand, the other holding the limb.;?any recommendations on brand, voltage, size...? budget is a consideration as is weight... remember, I'm an old guy?thanksjohn?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk13 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 30 15:33:13 2025 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:33:13 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw In-Reply-To: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> References: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> Message-ID: Not a direct answer, but hopefully useful. I have a gas chain saw, but cut more branches than trees and was in the need for a battery pole saw I bought one of these from Harbor Freight: ATLAS 80V Brushless Cordless, 10 in. Pole Saw https://www.harborfreight.com/brands/atlas/80v-tools/80v-brushless-cordless-10-in-pole-saw-tool-only-59209.html The line also has a ATLAS 80V Brushless Cordless 18 in. Chainsaw https://www.harborfreight.com/brands/atlas/80v-tools/80v-brushless-cordless-18-in-chainsaw-tool-only-56937.html Both have good reviews.? The pole saw is fantastic.? Last Labor Day HF had a promotion where if you bought a battery (now $139), you got a free tool.? I also picked up an Atlas battery pole hedge trimmer that is great.? With both tools, the battery outlasts my arms.? I've been very impressed with both tools.? My current battery tools are Makita and I couldn't justify the price for the above items for occasional use.? I previously used Dewalt and the lower priced Dewalt had bad reviews for plastic parts breaking. HF also has a well reviewed lower priced BAUER 20V Cordless 10 in. Chainsaw: https://www.harborfreight.com/20v-cordless-10-in-chainsaw-tool-only-64940.html Brian On 4/30/2025 9:52 AM, john niolon wrote: > since I'm an old guy I'm considering buying a battery chain saw..? > with 75 oak trees on the lot I get lots of dropped limbs in the winter > from 1" up to 3" and I think this is easier than manual > saw...especially since I saw my 92 year old neighbor destroying yard > debris > using one in one hand, the other holding the limb.; > any recommendations on brand, voltage, size...? budget is a > consideration as is weight... remember, I'm an old guy > thanks > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at megageek.com Wed Apr 30 15:52:03 2025 From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:52:03 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw In-Reply-To: References: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> Message-ID: John, My experience (and I'm pretty sure I posted it here, but I did write to Dewalt about it) was that there chainsaw had 2 major issues. 1-The oil leaks constantly, even if off, if it isn't hung on the hook. That means if you have it in the truck on the floor, the oil will be empty when you get to the job site. Dewalt stated that was "As Designed"! My Milwaukee doesn't do that. The other problem is the weak plastic, single screw to hold the chain on with a clutch, I could never get mine to tighten properly and would constantly throw the chain. I still have my Dewalt, but it will only be used if I don't want to damage my Big Red (if I'm cutting branches over water or something.) In either case, I want to remind ANYONE using a battery chain saw that the chaps that protect you will NOT work on an electric one. Moose From: John Innis To: eric at megageek.com Cc: Shop-talk at autox.team.net Date: 04/30/2025 02:26 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw I have the Dewalt saw, and I disagree. It has worked great for me. but there are actually at least 4 different models in the Dewalt line up. I have the "OG" 20V saw with the 16" bar from when they first came out, the 20V 8" pole saw" and the 60V 20" saw that came out about a year ago. All work great for me. The 60V saw has completely replaced my gas powered 20" Stihl. On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 12:29?PM wrote: I can tell you that the Milwaukee one works great. DO NOT buy the dewalt one. This is coming from someone that LOVES and owns almost exclusively Dewalt. Moose From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: 04/30/2025 12:57 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw Sent by: "Shop-talk" since I'm an old guy I'm considering buying a battery chain saw.. with 75 oak trees on the lot I get lots of dropped limbs in the winter from 1" up to 3" and I think this is easier than manual saw...especially since I saw my 92 year old neighbor destroying yard debris using one in one hand, the other holding the limb.; any recommendations on brand, voltage, size... budget is a consideration as is weight... remember, I'm an old guy thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric at megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis at gmail.com -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 19:44:50 2025 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 21:44:50 -0400 Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw In-Reply-To: References: <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkKB3CmFf.6ZqcOINSVnU@johns-desktop> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 6:11?PM wrote: > > In either case, I want to remind ANYONE using a battery chain saw that the > chaps that protect you will NOT work on an electric one. I'm curious - could you say more about this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: