From jniolon at att.net  Thu Jan  2 10:27:06 2025
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 11:27:06 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
References: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun.ref@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop>

I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I wanted...
 
This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
 
I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.  
I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
 
I'm 
wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and slower?  
Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of the 
business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an 
antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed 
on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop 
is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.
 
 
thanks
John
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Thu Jan  2 12:01:27 2025
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 13:01:27 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
In-Reply-To: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop>
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John,

The first thing I'd do is bring the Toshiba in the house, sit next to your
router and run several speed tests. That'll tell you if the issue's the
laptop. Depending on the results, I'd do some YouTube research. Crosstalk
Solutions is a good channel to start with.

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 12:41?PM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached
> garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for
> distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and
> while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I
> wanted...
>
> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it
> with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box
> sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
>
> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to
> hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.
> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210)
> which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
> while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
>
> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and
> slower?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20
> years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if
> the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to
> get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of
> wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options to
> run win 10.
>
>
> thanks
> John
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  2 12:12:38 2025
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 11:12:38 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
In-Reply-To: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop>
References: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun.ref@johns-desktop>
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Message-ID: <80eaca6c-85ca-4b6d-9970-0d6f726c57f5@earthlink.net>

John - I recommend replacing the old laptop since it is on the 
unsupported Windows 7 and I expect the wireless capability isn't easy to 
update as it is likely built in.? A device on Windows 7 is a 
vulnerability to hacking and potentially puts everything on you home 
network at risk.

You can get a name brand Windows 11 laptop in the $300 range if you just 
need something basic.? The increase in security and performance should 
be worth it.

Brian

On 1/2/2025 9:27 AM, john niolon wrote:
> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached 
> garage/shop.? First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the 
> limit for distance and slow and intermittent.? Next went with power 
> line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was 
> still slower than I wanted...
> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it 
> with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master 
> box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB)?to 
> hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.
> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite 
> L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.? Best speed I can get 
> is 30-40 mb.
> while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and 
> slower?? Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 
> 20 years out of the business.? Can someone with current knowledge tell 
> me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is 
> there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?? or is that 
> just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW?the laptop?is running 
> windows 7 with no options to run win 10.
> thanks
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From tjcora at icloud.com  Thu Jan  2 12:30:19 2025
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 14:30:19 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
In-Reply-To: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop>
References: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <FEB9B309-C30E-48E8-93E1-3686298288B1@icloud.com>

Here is the $64M question. What do you want the laptop to do, which it currently can?t?

The laptop specs call out 802.11b/g/n wireless. The data rates you note seem like they are in family with what you?d expect, at least to my eye. 

Alternatively, can you connect the laptop to the box in the shop via Ethernet?

Regards,

Tom Coradeschi
tjcora at icloud.com

> On Jan 2, 2025, at 1:42?PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I wanted...
>  
> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
>  
> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage. 
> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
> while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
>  
> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and slower?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.
>  
>  
> thanks
> John
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Thu Jan  2 13:41:27 2025
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 16:41:27 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
In-Reply-To: <80eaca6c-85ca-4b6d-9970-0d6f726c57f5@earthlink.net>
References: <80eaca6c-85ca-4b6d-9970-0d6f726c57f5@earthlink.net>
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> On Jan 2, 2025, at 15:41, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> You can get a name brand Windows 11 laptop in the $300 range if you just need something basic.  The increase in security and performance should be worth it.

I second the get rid of the win7 machine, but 
unless you can?t afford it or suffer from severe self-hatred do not buy the cheapest laptop. They are cheap for a reason and generally will be miserable to deal with.  


From gene at garrison-grafixx.com  Thu Jan  2 14:18:29 2025
From: gene at garrison-grafixx.com (Gene Garrison)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 13:18:29 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
In-Reply-To: <FEB9B309-C30E-48E8-93E1-3686298288B1@icloud.com>
References: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop>
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Message-ID: <69dfbc8a-9f3d-4713-88e7-7d96ea32179f@garrison-grafixx.com>

And to put a finer point on it (and this is more for my curiosity than 
helping you), why is 30-40 Mb/s not adequate?? What is it that you're 
trying to do?

Maybe I should be embarrassed to admit this, but we went with the 
cheapest, 40 Mb/s tier on our fiber service, 'cause it works fine for 
everything we do.

- GeneG


On 1/2/25 11:30 AM, Thomas Coradeschi wrote:

> Here is the $64M question. What do you want the laptop to do, which it 
> currently can?t?
>
> The laptop specs call out 802.11b/g/n wireless. The data rates you 
> note seem like they are in family with what you?d expect, at least to 
> my eye.
>
> Alternatively, can you connect the laptop to the box in the shop via 
> Ethernet?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Coradeschi
> tjcora at icloud.com
>
>> On Jan 2, 2025, at 1:42?PM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached 
>> garage/shop.? First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the 
>> limit for distance and slow and intermittent.? Next went with power 
>> line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed 
>> was still slower than I wanted...
>> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed 
>> it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the 
>> master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
>> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB)?to 
>> hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.
>> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite 
>> L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.? Best speed I can get 
>> is 30-40 mb.
>> while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
>> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and 
>> slower?? Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 
>> 20 years out of the business.? Can someone with current knowledge 
>> tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and 
>> is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?? or is 
>> that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW?the laptop?is running 
>> windows 7 with no options to run win 10.
>> thanks
>> John
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From miq at bigllama.com  Thu Jan  2 14:26:21 2025
From: miq at bigllama.com (MIQ MILLMAN)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 13:26:21 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
In-Reply-To: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop>
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As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs.
Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps.

The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a
designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of
802.11ac.

Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, and
ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.

The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port
built in.   So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tried
to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be
limited to what the older laptop can manage.

It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of
802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still
sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the
latest versions

Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it
would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the
Toshiba.  Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best use
of funds.... (e.g.  TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, but
the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)

If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,

here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:
https://a.co/d/am8aVRV

All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.

  --Miq



On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached
> garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for
> distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and
> while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I
> wanted...
>
> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it
> with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box
> sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
>
> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to
> hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.
> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210)
> which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
> while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
>
> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and
> slower?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20
> years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if
> the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to
> get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of
> wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options to
> run win 10.
>
>
> thanks
> John
> _______________________________________________
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From jniolon at att.net  Thu Jan  2 16:21:35 2025
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 17:21:35 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
In-Reply-To: <CAASF5jHi3Dpcj7M3QXFmJnXBUCUiNrpagB9AUeHbgMCxajDh1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun.ref@johns-desktop>
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Message-ID: <1UkEP5Ov13.CvVMa6acrk@johns-desktop>

well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right next to 
the Orbi modem
five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with latency 
around45 ms
 
took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb down 
and 40-=50 up with less latency
 
so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as 
ya'll say...just like me  old and slow
 
My Orbi is a model RBR10   app version2.42.0.56
 
firmware version v2.7.3.22
 
I've 
started looking online for refurbed units... 
I've been using a refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems
they are getting cheaper every day... and I've 
got room for a small form factor and monitor in the shop... might just go that 
way
 
if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all ears

 

   thanks for all the input
john

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From: MIQ MILLMAN <miq at bigllama.com>
To: john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Sent: 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection



As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs.  Wifi-BGN 
is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps. 


The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a designation 
to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of 802.11ac.


Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, and ax 
peaks at 9.6Gbps.


The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port built 
in.   So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tried to 
connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be limited 
to what the older laptop can manage.


It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of 802.11ac, you don't 
mention which version you have, but they still sell/support the older versions, 
and the price is rather steep for the latest versions


Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it would 
be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the Toshiba.  
Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best use of funds.... 
(e.g.  TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, but the laptop would 
not be able to support the speeds.)


If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option, 


here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:
https://a.co/d/am8aVRV


All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.





  --Miq







On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I wanted...
 
This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
 
I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.  
I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
 
I'm 
wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and slower?  
Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of the 
business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an 
antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed 
on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop 
is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.
 
 
thanks
John
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  2 18:25:21 2025
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 17:25:21 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
In-Reply-To: <1UkEP5Ov13.CvVMa6acrk@johns-desktop>
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John ? if you are going to get a new machine, you might consider a mini-PC [aka 1-liter machines].

 

I got a couple of these a year ago. My wife is using one as her main machine and it works great. I am overusing mine as I run some virtual machines, but it works just fine for most tasks. Here is a link to the one I got: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/  That is now $229 for 16Gb of ram and a 500Gb drive and Windows 11 Pro.

 

They also have one at $139 with 8Gb + 256?

 

Of course you would have to provide a mouse, keyboard and monitor ? which a laptop would provide built-in ? but if you have those laying around, this might work for you without additional expense.

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of john niolon
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 3:22 PM
To: MIQ MILLMAN <miq at bigllama.com>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection

 

well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right next to the Orbi modem

five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with latency around45 ms

 

took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb down and 40-=50 up with less latency

 

so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like me  old and slow

 

My Orbi is a model RBR10   app version2.42.0.56

 

firmware version v2.7.3.22

 

I've started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems

they are getting cheaper every day... and I've got room for a small form factor and monitor in the shop... might just go that way

 

if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all ears

 

   thanks for all the input

john

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From: MIQ MILLMAN <miq at bigllama.com <mailto:miq at bigllama.com> >

To: john niolon <jniolon at att.net <mailto:jniolon at att.net> >

Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net <mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net> >

Sent: 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM

Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection

  _____  

As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs.  Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps. 

 

The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of 802.11ac.

 

Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.

 

The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port built in.   So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tried to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be limited to what the older laptop can manage.

 

It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the latest versions

 

Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the Toshiba.  Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best use of funds.... (e.g.  TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)

 

If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option, 

 

here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:

https://a.co/d/am8aVRV

 

All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.

 

  --Miq

 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net <mailto:jniolon at att.net> > wrote:

I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I wanted...

 

This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.

 

I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.  

I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.

while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.

 

I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and slower?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.

 

 

thanks

John

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From stevehochschild at gmail.com  Fri Jan  3 13:50:10 2025
From: stevehochschild at gmail.com (Steve Hochschild)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 14:50:10 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
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As the sign on the shop wall says: "Speed costs money,  how fast do you
want to go?"

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025, 7:43 PM <alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote:

> John ? if you are going to get a new machine, you might consider a mini-PC
> [aka 1-liter machines].
>
>
>
> I got a couple of these a year ago. My wife is using one as her main
> machine and it works great. I am overusing mine as I run some virtual
> machines, but it works just fine for most tasks. Here is a link to the one
> I got: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/  That is now $229
> for 16Gb of ram and a 500Gb drive and Windows 11 Pro.
>
>
>
> They also have one at $139 with 8Gb + 256?
>
>
>
> Of course you would have to provide a mouse, keyboard and monitor ? which
> a laptop would provide built-in ? but if you have those laying around, this
> might work for you without additional expense.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Al Fuller
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *john
> niolon
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 3:22 PM
> *To:* MIQ MILLMAN <miq at bigllama.com>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
>
>
>
> well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right next
> to the Orbi modem
>
> five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with
> latency around45 ms
>
>
>
> took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb
> down and 40-=50 up with less latency
>
>
>
> so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like me
> old and slow
>
>
>
> My Orbi is a model RBR10   app version2.42.0.56
>
>
>
> firmware version v2.7.3.22
>
>
>
> I've started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a
> refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems
>
> they are getting cheaper every day... and I've got room for a small form
> factor and monitor in the shop... might just go that way
>
>
>
> if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all ears
>
>
>
>    thanks for all the input
>
> john
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
>
> *From:* MIQ MILLMAN <miq at bigllama.com>
>
> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>
> *Sent:* 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
> ------------------------------
>
> As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs.
> Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps.
>
>
>
> The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a
> designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of
> 802.11ac.
>
>
>
> Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps,
> and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.
>
>
>
> The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port
> built in.   So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tried
> to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be
> limited to what the older laptop can manage.
>
>
>
> It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of
> 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still
> sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the
> latest versions
>
>
>
> Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it
> would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the
> Toshiba.  Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best use
> of funds.... (e.g.  TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, but
> the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)
>
>
>
> If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,
>
>
>
> here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:
>
> https://a.co/d/am8aVRV
>
>
>
> All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.
>
>
>
>   --Miq
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached
> garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for
> distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and
> while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I
> wanted...
>
>
>
> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it
> with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box
> sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
>
>
>
> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to
> hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.
>
> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210)
> which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
>
> while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and
> slower?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20
> years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if
> the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to
> get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of
> wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options to
> run win 10.
>
>
>
>
>
> thanks
>
> John
>
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Sun Jan  5 10:30:12 2025
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James Juhas)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2025 12:30:12 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] OBD2 Scanner recommendations
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All,

I'm looking for a recommendation for an OBD2 scanner capable of 
accessing the TPMS re-learning procedure on our 2024 Mazda 3. I just put 
winter wheels and tires on the car with new TPMS sensors. In spite of 
the owners manual telling me that the system should automatically read 
the new IDs simply by driving a certain distance, that appears to not be 
the case. I can't find any way to trigger a re-learn procedure using the 
car's menu settings. So I figure an OBD2 Scanner of some sort would take 
care of this task, since I expect that's what the dealer would do. I 
expect needing to go to the dealer each time I switch wheels will soon 
exceed the cost of the scan tool.

I do have a device that is supposed to wake up the sensors so that they 
will transmit their identity and data to the car's brain, but that 
didn't have any effect that I know of.

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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Sun Jan  5 18:44:44 2025
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2025 20:44:44 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] OBD2 Scanner recommendations
In-Reply-To: <860353CD-B072-43F2-9A4A-56C1A9CD2D05@icloud.com>
References: <afe63504-a309-4415-ae76-d6b330f18336@snet.net>
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Pat,

The Autel sensors I installed work on both frequencies, 315 and 433 MHz, 
and from what I found, Mazda uses 315 MHz.

I also found a procedure at Bartec that said to turn on the ignition, 
then turn it off, wait 15 minutes and then drive over 15 mph for a while 
and everything should register. It didn't. I tried the same steps but 
with triggering the sensors with the exciter tool I had purchased for 
this purpose, but that didn't do it, either. Bartec has a variety of 
tools for this, some priced under $200 and they are the only supplier I 
have found so far that lists a 2024 Mazda 3 in their literature.



On 1/5/2025 7:54 PM, Pat Horne wrote:
> Have you used there TPMS sensors before? There are at least 2 
> frequencies that are used, maybe you have the wrong sensors.
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2025, at 6:47?PM, James Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a recommendation for an OBD2 scanner capable of 
> accessing the TPMS re-learning procedure on our 2024 Mazda 3. I just 
> put winter wheels and tires on the car with new TPMS sensors. In spite 
> of the owners manual telling me that the system should automatically 
> read the new IDs simply by driving a certain distance, that appears to 
> not be the case. I can't find any way to trigger a re-learn procedure 
> using the car's menu settings. So I figure an OBD2 Scanner of some 
> sort would take care of this task, since I expect that's what the 
> dealer would do. I expect needing to go to the dealer each time I 
> switch wheels will soon exceed the cost of the scan tool.
>
> I do have a device that is supposed to wake up the sensors so that 
> they will transmit their identity and data to the car's brain, but 
> that didn't have any effect that I know of.
>
> -- 
> <MGA_311_LRP_2.JPG>
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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Sun Jan  5 19:27:52 2025
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 02:27:52 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] OBD2 Scanner recommendations
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Hi James,

I do not have a helpful answer for you, but I do love your MGA. ?



Best,

Doug
mobile
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of James Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2025 9:30:12 AM
To: Shop Talk List <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] OBD2 Scanner recommendations


All,

I'm looking for a recommendation for an OBD2 scanner capable of accessing the TPMS re-learning procedure on our 2024 Mazda 3. I just put winter wheels and tires on the car with new TPMS sensors. In spite of the owners manual telling me that the system should automatically read the new IDs simply by driving a certain distance, that appears to not be the case. I can't find any way to trigger a re-learn procedure using the car's menu settings. So I figure an OBD2 Scanner of some sort would take care of this task, since I expect that's what the dealer would do. I expect needing to go to the dealer each time I switch wheels will soon exceed the cost of the scan tool.

I do have a device that is supposed to wake up the sensors so that they will transmit their identity and data to the car's brain, but that didn't have any effect that I know of.

--
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 07:58:55 2025
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 08:58:55 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] OBD2 Scanner recommendations
In-Reply-To: <28b17ca2-582f-45d0-b7ba-a95998645555@snet.net>
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The Project Farm YouTube channel (
https://www.youtube.com/@ProjectFarm/videos) has done at least one
comparison test. Good info.

On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 8:39?PM Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:

> Pat,
>
> The Autel sensors I installed work on both frequencies, 315 and 433 MHz,
> and from what I found, Mazda uses 315 MHz.
>
> I also found a procedure at Bartec that said to turn on the ignition, then
> turn it off, wait 15 minutes and then drive over 15 mph for a while and
> everything should register. It didn't. I tried the same steps but with
> triggering the sensors with the exciter tool I had purchased for this
> purpose, but that didn't do it, either. Bartec has a variety of tools for
> this, some priced under $200 and they are the only supplier I have found so
> far that lists a 2024 Mazda 3 in their literature.
>
>
>
> On 1/5/2025 7:54 PM, Pat Horne wrote:
>
> Have you used there TPMS sensors before? There are at least 2 frequencies
> that are used, maybe you have the wrong sensors.
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2025, at 6:47?PM, James Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net>
> <james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a recommendation for an OBD2 scanner capable of accessing
> the TPMS re-learning procedure on our 2024 Mazda 3. I just put winter
> wheels and tires on the car with new TPMS sensors. In spite of the owners
> manual telling me that the system should automatically read the new IDs
> simply by driving a certain distance, that appears to not be the case. I
> can't find any way to trigger a re-learn procedure using the car's menu
> settings. So I figure an OBD2 Scanner of some sort would take care of this
> task, since I expect that's what the dealer would do. I expect needing to
> go to the dealer each time I switch wheels will soon exceed the cost of the
> scan tool.
>
> I do have a device that is supposed to wake up the sensors so that they
> will transmit their identity and data to the car's brain, but that didn't
> have any effect that I know of.
> --
> <MGA_311_LRP_2.JPG>
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Mon Jan  6 11:40:04 2025
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 13:40:04 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] OBD2 Scanner recommendations
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Thank you for the compliment. It?s a 1957 now with an ?improved? 1600 as well as some other modifications, and has been my vintage racer since 2007. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2025, at 9:27?PM, Douglas Shook <dirtbeard at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi James, 
> 
> I do not have a helpful answer for you, but I do love your MGA. ?
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Doug
> mobile
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of James Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2025 9:30:12 AM
> To: Shop Talk List <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] OBD2 Scanner recommendations
>  
> All,
> 
> I'm looking for a recommendation for an OBD2 scanner capable of accessing the TPMS re-learning procedure on our 2024 Mazda 3. I just put winter wheels and tires on the car with new TPMS sensors. In spite of the owners manual telling me that the system should automatically read the new IDs simply by driving a certain distance, that appears to not be the case. I can't find any way to trigger a re-learn procedure using the car's menu settings. So I figure an OBD2 Scanner of some sort would take care of this task, since I expect that's what the dealer would do. I expect needing to go to the dealer each time I switch wheels will soon exceed the cost of the scan tool.
> 
> I do have a device that is supposed to wake up the sensors so that they will transmit their identity and data to the car's brain, but that didn't have any effect that I know of.
> 
> --
> <MGA_311_LRP_2.JPG>
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Mon Jan  6 18:26:51 2025
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James Juhas)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 20:26:51 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] OBD2 Scanner recommendations
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Ronnie, thanks for the tip. I found it and it is indeed a good review. 
However, it never mentioned TPMS access, and I expect that the units 
reviewed are not robust enough to include the TPMS systems. The search 
continues. I found some devices that are dedicated to TPMS systems but I 
can't confirm they'll talk to the Mazda 3.


On 1/6/2025 9:58 AM, Ronnie Day wrote:
> The Project Farm YouTube channel 
> (https://www.youtube.com/@ProjectFarm/videos) has done at least one 
> comparison?test. Good info.
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 8:39?PM Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:
>
>     Pat,
>
>     The Autel sensors I installed work on both frequencies, 315 and
>     433 MHz, and from what I found, Mazda uses 315 MHz.
>
>     I also found a procedure at Bartec that said to turn on the
>     ignition, then turn it off, wait 15 minutes and then drive over 15
>     mph for a while and everything should register. It didn't. I tried
>     the same steps but with triggering the sensors with the exciter
>     tool I had purchased for this purpose, but that didn't do it,
>     either. Bartec has a variety of tools for this, some priced under
>     $200 and they are the only supplier I have found so far that lists
>     a 2024 Mazda 3 in their literature.
>
>
>
>     On 1/5/2025 7:54 PM, Pat Horne wrote:
>>     Have you used there TPMS sensors before? There are at least 2
>>     frequencies that are used, maybe you have the wrong sensors.
>>
>>     Pat Horne
>>     We support Habitat for Humanity
>>
>>
>>     On Jan 5, 2025, at 6:47?PM, James Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net>
>>     <mailto:james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:
>>
>>     ?
>>
>>     All,
>>
>>     I'm looking for a recommendation for an OBD2 scanner capable of
>>     accessing the TPMS re-learning procedure on our 2024 Mazda 3. I
>>     just put winter wheels and tires on the car with new TPMS
>>     sensors. In spite of the owners manual telling me that the system
>>     should automatically read the new IDs simply by driving a certain
>>     distance, that appears to not be the case. I can't find any way
>>     to trigger a re-learn procedure using the car's menu settings. So
>>     I figure an OBD2 Scanner of some sort would take care of this
>>     task, since I expect that's what the dealer would do. I expect
>>     needing to go to the dealer each time I switch wheels will soon
>>     exceed the cost of the scan tool.
>>
>>     I do have a device that is supposed to wake up the sensors so
>>     that they will transmit their identity and data to the car's
>>     brain, but that didn't have any effect that I know of.
>>
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From jniolon at att.net  Mon Jan 13 13:24:44 2025
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 14:24:44 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] refurbished/reconditioned computers
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 I've decided to replace my old laptop I asked about a week or so ago with a SFF desktop.  Since it's 
the shop box
I'm gonna upgrade my Dell Optiplex 990 in the house with a newer/faster one and move the house one to the garage
 
EVERYONE sells refurbs... Amazon, Ebay, etc... Anyone have experience with refurbs and a reputable dealers you've 
used??
 
also from what I read  an I5 core is better for normal stuff than an I7 (unless 
you're gaming or doing high end graphics...ideas on that ???
thanks
john
 
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From jrbabiarz at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 13 15:11:40 2025
From: jrbabiarz at yahoo.com (John Babiarz)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 22:11:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] refurbished/reconditioned computers
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I've done a ton of refurbs and I'm a (now) retired IT guy. Nothing but good luck with them. I've bought HP, Dell and Lenovo.? All good. Current main desktop is Lenovo I've had for 4 or 5 yrs. No issues and I tend to beat on it. I've bought primarily from NewEgg or whatever they are now.?
You can always buy an extended warranty when you buy the machine if you're worried. They generally aren't pricey. Good luck! I wouldn't hesitate with a refurb but make sure it's not a bottom end box.

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  On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 4:07 PM, john niolon<jniolon at att.net> wrote:    ?I've decided to replace my old laptop I asked about a week or so ago with a SFF desktop.? Since it's the shop boxI'm gonna upgrade my Dell Optiplex?990 in the house with a newer/faster one and move the house one to the garage?EVERYONE sells refurbs... Amazon, Ebay, etc... Anyone have experience with refurbs and a reputable dealers you've used???also from what I read? an I5 core is better for normal stuff than an I7 (unless you're gaming or doing high end graphics...ideas on that ???thanksjohn?_______________________________________________

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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Mon Jan 13 16:10:22 2025
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 15:10:22 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] refurbished/reconditioned computers
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For refurbished, I would go with the newest processor you can find, not so
much because of faster processing, but rather so that you can get Windows
11 or whichever operating system you are using and the updates.

MS just decided not to continue most updates to Windows 10 and Windows 11
requires a certain level process for it to be installed.

We just bought my wife a new laptop for this reason.

FWIW, a recent refurbished desktop will provide all the power you need and
they typically will last until they are obsolete for OS issues. Laptops
generally are not as fast and are more prone to wear and tear issues.

best,

doug

On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 1:03?PM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

>  I've decided to replace my old laptop I asked about a week or so ago with
> a SFF desktop.  Since it's the shop box
> I'm gonna upgrade my Dell Optiplex 990 in the house with a newer/faster
> one and move the house one to the garage
>
> EVERYONE sells refurbs... Amazon, Ebay, etc... Anyone have experience with
> refurbs and a reputable dealers you've used??
>
> also from what I read  an I5 core is better for normal stuff than an I7
> (unless you're gaming or doing high end graphics...ideas on that ???
> thanks
> john
>
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From JIBrooks at live.com  Tue Jan 14 10:57:28 2025
From: JIBrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:57:28 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] refurbished/reconditioned computers
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John,

We bought refurbed i7 laptops directly from Dell and have been happy so far. Unfortunately, while they were current years ago when we bought them, they don?t currently qualify for WIN11, so we are discussion our options too.  We will likely buy new now, better financial situation, but it?s a tough decision. They had a nice discount and came with a Win-Pro level OS.

Jack

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of john niolon
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 1:25 PM
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Subject: [Shop-talk] refurbished/reconditioned computers

 I've decided to replace my old laptop I asked about a week or so ago with a SFF desktop.  Since it's the shop box
I'm gonna upgrade my Dell Optiplex 990 in the house with a newer/faster one and move the house one to the garage

EVERYONE sells refurbs... Amazon, Ebay, etc... Anyone have experience with refurbs and a reputable dealers you've used??

also from what I read  an I5 core is better for normal stuff than an I7 (unless you're gaming or doing high end graphics...ideas on that ???
thanks
john

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