From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Sat Nov  1 06:54:41 2025
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 12:54:41 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs

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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sat Nov  1 07:21:05 2025
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 08:21:05 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I think from Thunderbird. 

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:

?
My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs 

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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 07:51:48 2025
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 09:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam folder.  (Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.)  This thread is a good example.  I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while Tim?s original was in my junk folder.  

> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I think from Thunderbird. 
> 
> Pat Horne 
> We support Habitat for Humanity
> 
> 
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs 
> 
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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Sat Nov  1 08:54:16 2025
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T Blair)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:54:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Email
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References: <MN2PR14MB28622C2E7270981BA233D3A9B4F9A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Speaking of email, and the knowledge of this group, I have a question about email. With all the very savvy people in this group I'm hoping someone works in IT and understands email.
My email address is jblair1948 at cox.net.? When I got my Cox account some 15 yrs ago, they were providing the email and support, ie. my email went to their servers.? I was using Eudora at the time and POP mail.? Then about 2 to 3 yrs ago, Cox stopped hosting email for their customers and passed it on to Yahoo.? However, I still use my old cox.net email address but to get my mail I have to log into Yahoo instead of logging into Cox.
So is this now like the cell phones where you can carry your email address with you or is my email going to cox and then forwarded to Yahoo?
The reason I'm asking is, that if I change my ISP from Cox to say Verizon can I get my email send to Verizon or even Gmail or will I be required to get a new email address at either Gmail or who ever is my new ISP's email?
JohnT,
John T. Blair? WA4OHZ???? email:? jblair1948 at cox.netVa. Beach, Va????????????????? Phone:? (757) 495-8229

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???? 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)??? 77 Spitfire??? 71 Saab Sonett III
?????????????????????? 65 Rambler Classic

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Bricklin:???? http://www.bricklin.org

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???? e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
???? In God We Trust
???? Liberty - the? power? of? choosing,? thinking,? and? acting? for? 
????????????????? oneself; freedom? from? control? or? restriction? 



 

    On Saturday, November 1, 2025 at 10:01:20 AM EDT, Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam folder. ?(Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.) ?This thread is a good example. ?I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while Tim?s original was in my junk folder. ?


On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:

Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I think from Thunderbird.?
Pat Horne?We support Habitat for Humanity

On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:

?My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs?
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Sat Nov  1 09:01:17 2025
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 11:01:17 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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References: <MN2PR14MB28622C2E7270981BA233D3A9B4F9A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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I use Thunderbird and exactly the opposite happened! Tim's original in 
my inbox and Pat and Jim went to the junk folder.

Thunderbird's junk identification is supposed to learn from the 
corrections I make, and for a while the behavior improved. But it's 
inconsistent.

I have a bunch of filters set up to try to control the behavior that 
live on my desktop, which is always on and processing email. I use the 
imap version so that the server holds all the stuff; that way I can see 
the results on my phone and laptops. Even so, the results are still 
inconsistent but at least I'm seeing the same thing on each device..

Jim Juhas


On 11/1/2025 9:51 AM, Jim Stone wrote:
> I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam 
> folder. ?(Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.) ?This 
> thread is a good example. ?I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while 
> Tim?s original was in my junk folder.
>
>> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if 
>> it happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my 
>> iPhone & I think from Thunderbird.
>>
>> Pat Horne
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
>>
>> <image.png>
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>>
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 09:26:43 2025
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 10:26:43 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Email
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Unfortunately email does not work like phone numbers.  The domain name "
cox.net" is the property of the company hosting the domain.  In this case,
Cox sold that name to Yahoo, so you got to keep it.  If you change to a new
email provider, you won't be able to keep the old address.  But you
probably CAN get a new email provider, keep the old one, and just forward
all the mail from Yahoo to whatever new provider you choose.

On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 10:06?AM John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:

> Speaking of email, and the knowledge of this group, I have a question
> about email. With all the very savvy people in this group I'm hoping
> someone works in IT and understands email.
>
> My email address is jblair1948 at cox.net.  When I got my Cox account some
> 15 yrs ago, they were providing the email and support, ie. my email went to
> their servers.  I was using Eudora at the time and POP mail.  Then about 2
> to 3 yrs ago, Cox stopped hosting email for their customers and passed it
> on to Yahoo.  However, I still use my old cox.net email address but to
> get my mail I have to log into Yahoo instead of logging into Cox.
>
> So is this now like the cell phones where you can carry your email address
> with you or is my email going to cox and then forwarded to Yahoo?
>
> The reason I'm asking is, that if I change my ISP from Cox to say Verizon
> can I get my email send to Verizon or even Gmail or will I be required to
> get a new email address at either Gmail or who ever is my new ISP's email?
>
> JohnT,
>
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>
> 48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                        65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
>
> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
>
> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>
> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
>      e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
>      In God We Trust
>      Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
>                   oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 1, 2025 at 10:01:20 AM EDT, Jim Stone <
> 1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam
> folder.  (Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.)  This thread is
> a good example.  I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while Tim?s original was
> in my junk folder.
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it
> happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I
> think from Thunderbird.
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
>
> <image.png>
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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 10:16:35 2025
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 09:16:35 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Email
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If I understand the question correctly, when you add a new email account at
a new vendor, the email account name will need to be unique to that
platform, so you will most likely need to have a different email address
(e.g., bob at cox.net may be able to be bob at gmail.com, but probably that
account already is used. You might need to add some numbers
bob1234 at gmail.com or add your last name and middle initial
robert_e_smith at gmail.com, etc.).

What you can do, however, is just retain your old email account (e.g.,
bob at cox.net) and configure it with auto-forward with delete to your
new email address.

This way, all email sent to your old address will still be delivered to
your new address, and you can send email from your new address.

Over time, it just gradually migrates your email to the new account while
preserving your old account (i.e., people will see the new "sending
address" when they receive your email and will reply to it). You
will, however, need to register the new address with lists and forums
you participate in.

On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 8:36?AM John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately email does not work like phone numbers.  The domain name "
> cox.net" is the property of the company hosting the domain.  In this
> case, Cox sold that name to Yahoo, so you got to keep it.  If you change to
> a new email provider, you won't be able to keep the old address.  But you
> probably CAN get a new email provider, keep the old one, and just forward
> all the mail from Yahoo to whatever new provider you choose.
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 10:06?AM John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of email, and the knowledge of this group, I have a question
>> about email. With all the very savvy people in this group I'm hoping
>> someone works in IT and understands email.
>>
>> My email address is jblair1948 at cox.net.  When I got my Cox account some
>> 15 yrs ago, they were providing the email and support, ie. my email went to
>> their servers.  I was using Eudora at the time and POP mail.  Then about 2
>> to 3 yrs ago, Cox stopped hosting email for their customers and passed it
>> on to Yahoo.  However, I still use my old cox.net email address but to
>> get my mail I have to log into Yahoo instead of logging into Cox.
>>
>> So is this now like the cell phones where you can carry your email
>> address with you or is my email going to cox and then forwarded to Yahoo?
>>
>> The reason I'm asking is, that if I change my ISP from Cox to say Verizon
>> can I get my email send to Verizon or even Gmail or will I be required to
>> get a new email address at either Gmail or who ever is my new ISP's email?
>>
>> JohnT,
>>
>> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
>> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>>
>> 48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>>      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>>                        65 Rambler Classic
>>
>> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
>>
>> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
>>
>> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
>> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>>
>> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
>>      e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
>>      In God We Trust
>>      Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
>>                   oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 1, 2025 at 10:01:20 AM EDT, Jim Stone <
>> 1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam
>> folder.  (Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.)  This thread is
>> a good example.  I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while Tim?s original was
>> in my junk folder.
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it
>> happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I
>> think from Thunderbird.
>>
>> Pat Horne
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
>>
>> <image.png>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sat Nov  1 13:56:46 2025
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:56:46 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Email
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  1 14:15:18 2025
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 13:15:18 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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Something changed about a month ago with Earthlink, my primary e-mail 
provider.? Much of the list traffic is now blocked and I have to go to 
online webmail and in my spam folder, say it isn't spam.? I notice some 
e-mail replies for original messages I never saw. Earthlink has 
completely killed all Harbor Freight e-mails, even after adding the 
various sending addresses to my whitelist filter.

Related to recent messages, good thing I have a Cox address to get past 
Earthlink's limitations.

Brian

On 11/1/2025 5:54 AM, Tim . wrote:
> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
>
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  1 14:30:07 2025
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 13:30:07 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Email
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John - I have a cox.net address from when I got Cox internet, as does my 
wife.? When Cox got out of the e-mail business, they transferred the 
accounts to Yahoo.? This means your internet and e-mail are via 
different unrelated companies.? Per their FAQ at the time, you can keep 
your Cox.net e-mail even if you no longer have Cox internet.

My Cox address is a secondary address and I only check it with 
Thunderbird on a PC.? It was challenging to get Thunderbird to work 
properly because some obscure setting needed to be set, but now it works 
great.

My wife uses Cox as her only e-mail and uses the Yahoo webmail site on a 
PC and the Yahoo app on her phone.

You can likely set Cox to autoforward, but I'd just have separate inbox 
in something like Thunderbird or Outlook to have both e-mails.

Brian

On 11/1/2025 7:54 AM, John T Blair wrote:
> Speaking of email, and the knowledge of this group, I have a question 
> about email. With all the very savvy people in this group I'm hoping 
> someone works in IT and understands email.
>
> My email address is jblair1948 at cox.net.? When I got my Cox account 
> some 15 yrs ago, they were providing the email and support, ie. my 
> email went to their servers.? I was using Eudora at the time and POP 
> mail.? Then about 2 to 3 yrs ago, Cox stopped hosting email for their 
> customers and passed it on to Yahoo. However, I still use my old 
> cox.net email address but to get my mail I have to log into Yahoo 
> instead of logging into Cox.
>
> So is this now like the cell phones where you can carry your email 
> address with you or is my email going to cox and then forwarded to Yahoo?
>
> The reason I'm asking is, that if I change my ISP from Cox to say 
> Verizon can I get my email send to Verizon or even Gmail or will I be 
> required to get a new email address at either Gmail or who ever is my 
> new ISP's email?
>
> JohnT,
>
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> On Saturday, November 1, 2025 at 10:01:20 AM EDT, Jim Stone 
> <1789alpine at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam 
> folder. ?(Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.) ?This 
> thread is a good example. ?I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while 
> Tim?s original was in my junk folder.
>
>> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it 
> happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & 
> I think from Thunderbird.
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
>
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From JIBrooks at live.com  Sat Nov  1 16:41:27 2025
From: JIBrooks at live.com (Jack Brooks)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 22:41:27 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
In-Reply-To: <79510840-98C1-46EF-81E1-CECF9AF2A8B2@gmail.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB28622C2E7270981BA233D3A9B4F9A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Jim,

It?s been like this for years. Unless it was another list, I seem to recall that at one point mjb did something to remedy it, but it?s for some reason, it seems to have slipped back into someone?s bad graces and gets nailed as junk by Outlook, even with my junk settings on ?Low?. A huge number of our members, as well as the list name are on my Safe recipient list, but the emails still get tagged.  I don?t know what the answer is.

Jack

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2025 7:52 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook

I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam folder.  (Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.)  This thread is a good example.  I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while Tim?s original was in my junk folder.


On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com<mailto:patintexas at icloud.com>> wrote:

Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I think from Thunderbird.

Pat Horne
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
?
My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs

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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 17:30:06 2025
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 16:30:06 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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There literally is much more spam being sent than legitimate emails and the
email providers have had to get more aggressive with their filtering. The
spammers continually evolve their messages real-time to look like
legitimate email, and then the legitimate emails start to look more like
spam and get caught-up in the filters at the domain level as well as at the
individual inbox level.

I was the CIO at the University of Southern California and we received over
30 million emails each day with 90+% of them being phishes, spams, sales,
etc. It almost is like extortion as we needed to keep buying more and more
spam processing hardware just to filter through all of the junk mail being
sent at us quickly enough to find and deliver the legitimate email in a
timely manner.

So what happens, unfortunately, is that there are false-positives and some
non-zero amount of legitimate email will not be delivered as it was
filtered at the domain-level, and some delivered email will be flagged as
spam and sent to your junk email folders.

Email from the same sender may get tagged as spam today and a different
email from that same sender was delivered last week because the filters are
constantly adapting the the emails they are processing at the time (e.g.,
because of other spam being sent that day, the content of a sender's
message may hit the probability level to get flagged even though you have
received email from that same person yesterday). It really has less to do
with the sender or the content of their message than it does with what the
spammers are doing at the same time when the filters are making the
comparisons.


On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 4:01?PM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks at live.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
>
>
> It?s been like this for years. Unless it was another list, I seem to
> recall that at one point mjb did something to remedy it, but it?s for some
> reason, it seems to have slipped back into someone?s bad graces and gets
> nailed as junk by Outlook, even with my junk settings on ?Low?. A huge
> number of our members, as well as the list name are on my Safe recipient
> list, but the emails still get tagged.  I don?t know what the answer is.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Stone
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 1, 2025 7:52 AM
> *To:* Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
>
>
>
> I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam
> folder.  (Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.)  This thread is
> a good example.  I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while Tim?s original was
> in my junk folder.
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it
> happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I
> think from Thunderbird.
>
>
>
> Pat Horne
>
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
>
>
>
> <image.png>
>
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From lspector at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 18:03:40 2025
From: lspector at gmail.com (Larry Spector)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 20:03:40 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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References: <MN2PR14MB28622C2E7270981BA233D3A9B4F9A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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It's not just outlook. I have a similar problem with Gmail and had to add
rules to keep this list out of my spam folder.

-Larry

On Sat, Nov 1, 2025, 7:06?PM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks at live.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
>
>
> It?s been like this for years. Unless it was another list, I seem to
> recall that at one point mjb did something to remedy it, but it?s for some
> reason, it seems to have slipped back into someone?s bad graces and gets
> nailed as junk by Outlook, even with my junk settings on ?Low?. A huge
> number of our members, as well as the list name are on my Safe recipient
> list, but the emails still get tagged.  I don?t know what the answer is.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Stone
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 1, 2025 7:52 AM
> *To:* Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
>
>
>
> I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam
> folder.  (Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.)  This thread is
> a good example.  I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while Tim?s original was
> in my junk folder.
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it
> happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I
> think from Thunderbird.
>
>
>
> Pat Horne
>
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
>
>
>
> <image.png>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Nov  2 01:27:58 2025
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2025 01:27:58 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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You all are lucky, there are filters on incoming team net emails.  I 
currently have1,569 messages I need to go through, passing on 
legitimate, if any, emails and discarding the rest.  Sometimes running 
these lists is not so fun.

A quick snapshotof my inbox, showing some of the lists.

mjb.

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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sun Nov  2 06:35:18 2025
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2025 07:35:18 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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Thanks, Mark for all you have to go through to keep the lists going, I hope you can get on top of this. Would it make sense to only allow emails from registered members to be passed through, Iike a white list? I?m not even sure if that?s possible. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Nov 2, 2025, at 1:40?AM, Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

?You all are lucky, there are filters on incoming team net emails.  I currently have1,569 messages I need to go through, passing on legitimate, if any, emails and discarding the rest.  Sometimes running these lists is not so fun.

A quick snapshotof my inbox, showing some of the lists.

mjb.

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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Sun Nov  2 09:38:52 2025
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2025 16:38:52 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
In-Reply-To: <ed343f33-7dde-4cef-87ed-1a1181bf7756@bradakis.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB28622C2E7270981BA233D3A9B4F9A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Holy shite
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2025 1:27 AM
To: shop-talk at autox.team.net <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook

You all are lucky, there are filters on incoming team net emails.  I
currently have1,569 messages I need to go through, passing on
legitimate, if any, emails and discarding the rest.  Sometimes running
these lists is not so fun.

A quick snapshotof my inbox, showing some of the lists.

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From patintexas at icloud.com  Sun Nov  2 10:26:08 2025
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:26:08 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
In-Reply-To: <3d554550-5bff-40ad-8f82-64c88f22a4f4@snet.net>
References: <3d554550-5bff-40ad-8f82-64c88f22a4f4@snet.net>
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 11:01:59 2025
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2025 12:01:59 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
In-Reply-To: <B28C63A0-6F95-4D3C-A792-73F797CBC5FE@icloud.com>
References: <3d554550-5bff-40ad-8f82-64c88f22a4f4@snet.net>
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Message-ID: <CAMHhs6cu543Q8CTzt++9yedqaU9R9c57+kWXk0d-AuHK5Bq5tg@mail.gmail.com>

I prefer browser based email instead of a client/server model. Been on
GMail since it was launched but always looking at alternatives, too.
Browser based lets you access all of your messages from any platform;
Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, etc. I use it as a kind of sneakernet if I want
to move a file from one device to another.

One thing I don't do is store anything sensitive or financial online. Then
I'll use a flash drive to move a file between computers. Am I paranoid...?!
You bet!!

RD

On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 11:40?AM Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:

> Interesting. I also use Thunderbird & it mostly keeps my 2 computer?s &
> iPhone in sync, including deleting things from all platforms but on
> occasion I find thatemails I have on my phone don?t appear on the PCs.
>
> The main thing I wish was possible was to have the same trash folder
> across everything. I?ve deleted a message on a PC & then realize that it
> contained some information that I can?t access from my phone or even a
> different PC. Has anyone found d an email server that I might want to look
> into?
>
> To keep this sort of on topic, one of my PC is in my shop.
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 10:27?AM, Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:
>
> ? I use Thunderbird and exactly the opposite happened! Tim's original in
> my inbox and Pat and Jim went to the junk folder.
>
> Thunderbird's junk identification is supposed to learn from the
> corrections I make, and for a while the behavior improved. But it's
> inconsistent.
>
> I have a bunch of filters set up to try to control the behavior that live
> on my desktop, which is always on and processing email. I use the imap
> version so that the server holds all the stuff; that way I can see the
> results on my phone and laptops. Even so, the results are still
> inconsistent but at least I'm seeing the same thing on each device..
>
> Jim Juhas
>
> <MGA_311_LRP_2.JPG>
>
> On 11/1/2025 9:51 AM, Jim Stone wrote:
>
> I?d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam
> folder.  (Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.)  This thread is
> a good example.  I got Pat?s response in my inbox, while Tim?s original was
> in my junk folder.
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21?AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com>
> <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven?t taken the time to see if it
> happens with all my emails, I don?t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I
> think from Thunderbird.
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
>
> <image.png>
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 08:14:27 2025
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 10:14:27 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR14MB28620DD5ADECCF88D0C95340B4C6A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB28622C2E7270981BA233D3A9B4F9A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CM_GJjPKSQ9qGQ6hyH-SR1QB42=jEWwPWFeCMeb148BNQ@mail.gmail.com>

When I retired, my goal was to have at least 10,000 unread emails in my
inbox.   I reached that goal easily.

And yet, everything is going along fine despite the lack of any replies.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 11:48?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:

> Holy shite
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mark
> Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 2, 2025 1:27 AM
> *To:* shop-talk at autox.team.net <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
>
> You all are lucky, there are filters on incoming team net emails.  I
> currently have1,569 messages I need to go through, passing on
> legitimate, if any, emails and discarding the rest.  Sometimes running
> these lists is not so fun.
>
> A quick snapshotof my inbox, showing some of the lists.
>
> mjb.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Mon Nov  3 12:33:52 2025
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 19:33:52 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CM_GJjPKSQ9qGQ6hyH-SR1QB42=jEWwPWFeCMeb148BNQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <ed343f33-7dde-4cef-87ed-1a1181bf7756@bradakis.com>
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??
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2025 9:14 AM
To: shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook

When I retired, my goal was to have at least 10,000 unread emails in my inbox.   I reached that goal easily.

And yet, everything is going along fine despite the lack of any replies.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 11:48?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
Holy shite
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>>
Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2025 1:27 AM
To: shop-talk at autox.team.net<mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net> <shop-talk at autox.team.net<mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook

You all are lucky, there are filters on incoming team net emails.  I
currently have1,569 messages I need to go through, passing on
legitimate, if any, emails and discarding the rest.  Sometimes running
these lists is not so fun.

A quick snapshotof my inbox, showing some of the lists.

mjb.

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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Fri Nov  7 14:28:43 2025
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 21:28:43 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] wood filler
Message-ID: <MN2PR14MB28626AAABAEF2404CFDD1BCAB4C3A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

We live in a 120+ year old (simple) craftsman. Somehow, despite it being a two flat rental for 30-some-odd years, just about all the wood trim has never been painted.

I am in the process of replacing what is missing and restoring what has paint spatters, scars, etc.

I need a wood filler that will actually take stain correctly/accurately/etc.

Does anyone have one that does this?

Thanks
tim
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 15:25:08 2025
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 16:25:08 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] wood filler
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR14MB28626AAABAEF2404CFDD1BCAB4C3A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB28626AAABAEF2404CFDD1BCAB4C3A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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YouTube is your friend, but most of the folks whose opinions I respect
suggest making you own filler using sawdust created during the sanding and
cutting of the wood as you make the new trim pieces. Mix a little glue with
the sawdust and there?s your matching filler. HTH

On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 3:43?PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:

> We live in a 120+ year old (simple) craftsman. Somehow, despite it being a
> two flat rental for 30-some-odd years, just about all the wood trim has
> never been painted.
>
> I am in the process of replacing what is missing and restoring what has
> paint spatters, scars, etc.
>
> I need a wood filler that will *actually* take stain
> correctly/accurately/etc.
>
> Does anyone have one that does this?
>
> Thanks
> tim
> _______________________________________________
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Fri Nov  7 17:50:58 2025
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2025 00:50:58 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] wood filler
In-Reply-To: <CAMHhs6co5KWk0ifoZL0kr786zAWxjb4n9mBgA6Yur0+xEpjUNA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Ronnie

I wonder if the glue will keep the "plug" from taking the stain?
________________________________
From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2025 4:25 PM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wood filler

YouTube is your friend, but most of the folks whose opinions I respect suggest making you own filler using sawdust created during the sanding and cutting of the wood as you make the new trim pieces. Mix a little glue with the sawdust and there?s your matching filler. HTH

On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 3:43?PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
We live in a 120+ year old (simple) craftsman. Somehow, despite it being a two flat rental for 30-some-odd years, just about all the wood trim has never been painted.

I am in the process of replacing what is missing and restoring what has paint spatters, scars, etc.

I need a wood filler that will actually take stain correctly/accurately/etc.

Does anyone have one that does this?

Thanks
tim
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  7 18:51:22 2025
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 17:51:22 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] wood filler
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR14MB28626AAABAEF2404CFDD1BCAB4C3A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB28626AAABAEF2404CFDD1BCAB4C3A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <b9cd85b9-9d24-45dc-8873-0ed58dcfc5fa@earthlink.net>

I've found patches often need a touch up.? Check your favorite supplier 
for a stain pen.? Sample search:

https://www.homedepot.com/s/stain%20pen

Lots of results for stainable wood filler too.
https://www.homedepot.com/s/stainable%20wood%20filler

I used a small DAP tub years ago and you had to really look to see the 
nail hole filler.? I stained the trim before installation and touched up 
the filled nail holes after installation.? I did use a slightly darker 
stain pen because the filler spots were lighter.

Brian

On 11/7/2025 1:28 PM, Tim . wrote:
> We live in a 120+ year old (simple) craftsman. Somehow, despite it 
> being a two flat rental for 30-some-odd years, just about all the wood 
> trim has never been painted.
>
> I am in the process of replacing what is missing and restoring what 
> has paint spatters, scars, etc.
>
> I need a wood filler that will _actually_ take stain 
> correctly/accurately/etc.
>
> Does anyone have one that does this?
>
> Thanks
> tim
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 15:04:35 2025
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2025 16:04:35 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CNEpjhx63gYzqfUSK764uHptA2sTE_s1NyNGbBbCSZZCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR14MB12743F2C1FC688F5B884EF75B41D9@DM5PR14MB1274.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <77DC4E5A-461D-4276-B62A-1C51D565105A@icloud.com>
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Message-ID: <CAE16_w0MQo9x317kU1fGKM95-B6Xd9ECtr3KJBasetD-3RztUA@mail.gmail.com>

Random wonderings.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 5:35?PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> I seem to recall that they don't ship across the Mississippi.  East is
> east, and west is west....
>

I wonder how they figured out whether the address was east or west of the
Mississippi.  There are lots of addresses in Minnesota and in Louisiana
that could be either east or west of the Mississippi River.
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From shannahquilts at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 15:56:22 2025
From: shannahquilts at gmail.com (Shannah Miller)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2025 14:56:22 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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My experience is with a whole car.  I used Sherpa Auto Transport,
and what they do is use subcontractors to actually do the
shipping.  Mine with through AT Transport.

I didn't like the delay involved with them finding a shipper,
but everything went smoothly and the car arrived in the
condition it was picked up.

I get that you're not transporting a whole car, but maybe
Sherpa has a subcontractor who ships car parts in crates.

Shannah

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 10:09?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Sun Nov  9 17:43:46 2025
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:43:46 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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This is just bizarrely popping up right now.

My inquiry was from three and a half years ago.
________________________________
From: Shannah Miller <shannahquilts at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2025 4:56 PM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid

My experience is with a whole car.  I used Sherpa Auto Transport,
and what they do is use subcontractors to actually do the
shipping.  Mine with through AT Transport.

I didn't like the delay involved with them finding a shipper,
but everything went smoothly and the car arrived in the
condition it was picked up.

I get that you're not transporting a whole car, but maybe
Sherpa has a subcontractor who ships car parts in crates.

Shannah

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 10:09?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.

I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.

thanks
tim
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From shannahquilts at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 18:40:11 2025
From: shannahquilts at gmail.com (Shannah Miller)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2025 17:40:11 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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References: <DM5PR14MB12743F2C1FC688F5B884EF75B41D9@DM5PR14MB1274.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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I'm sorry.  It didn't occur to me to double check the date.  I wonder if
there was a server reset or something?

Shannah

On Sun, Nov 9, 2025, 4:43?PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:

> This is just bizarrely popping up right now.
>
> My inquiry was from three and a half years ago.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Shannah Miller <shannahquilts at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 9, 2025 4:56 PM
> *To:* Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> *Cc:* Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
>
> My experience is with a whole car.  I used Sherpa Auto Transport,
> and what they do is use subcontractors to actually do the
> shipping.  Mine with through AT Transport.
>
> I didn't like the delay involved with them finding a shipper,
> but everything went smoothly and the car arrived in the
> condition it was picked up.
>
> I get that you're not transporting a whole car, but maybe
> Sherpa has a subcontractor who ships car parts in crates.
>
> Shannah
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 10:09?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 16:06:09 2025
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2025 17:06:09 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Nov 10 04:51:12 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 11:51:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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References: <DM5PR14MB12743F2C1FC688F5B884EF75B41D9@DM5PR14MB1274.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Stuck in a spam filter somewhere.? Remember, Mark gets 1000+ emails requiring moderator involvement.? And that's just what gets past the automated spam filter.
Dave 


 

    On Sunday, November 9, 2025 at 10:39:14 PM CST, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:   

 This is just bizarrely popping up right now.?
My inquiry was from three and a half years ago.?From: Shannah Miller <shannahquilts at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2025 4:56 PM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid?My experience is with a whole car.? I used Sherpa Auto Transport,and what they do is use subcontractors to actually do theshipping.? Mine with through AT Transport.
I didn't like the delay involved with them finding a shipper,but everything went smoothly and the car arrived in thecondition it was picked up.
I get that you're not transporting a whole car, but maybeSherpa has a subcontractor who ships car parts in crates.
Shannah
On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 10:09?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:

Hi all,?
Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.?
I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.?
thankstim_______________________________________________

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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Mon Nov 10 06:59:16 2025
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 13:59:16 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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Please, don't think I was complaining in any way shape or form.

It was funny to me.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2025 6:43 PM
To: Shannah Miller <shannahquilts at gmail.com>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid

This is just bizarrely popping up right now.

My inquiry was from three and a half years ago.
________________________________
From: Shannah Miller <shannahquilts at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2025 4:56 PM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid

My experience is with a whole car.  I used Sherpa Auto Transport,
and what they do is use subcontractors to actually do the
shipping.  Mine with through AT Transport.

I didn't like the delay involved with them finding a shipper,
but everything went smoothly and the car arrived in the
condition it was picked up.

I get that you're not transporting a whole car, but maybe
Sherpa has a subcontractor who ships car parts in crates.

Shannah

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 10:09?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.

I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.

thanks
tim
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Mon Nov 10 07:31:11 2025
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 08:31:11 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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From phoenix722 at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 08:49:25 2025
From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 07:49:25 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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You do know that computers run on magic..............

On 11/10/25 6:31 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
> Decades ago we rebooted a backup server & thousands of emails were 
> sent that had been stuck on it, some for years. Funny thing was that 
> we weren?t using that server for email, so we never looked for any.
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2025, at 8:12?AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Please, don't think I was complaining in any way shape or form.
>
> It was funny to me.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim 
> . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 9, 2025 6:43 PM
> *To:* Shannah Miller <shannahquilts at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
> This is just bizarrely popping up right now.
>
> My inquiry was from three and a half years ago.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Shannah Miller <shannahquilts at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 9, 2025 4:56 PM
> *To:* Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
> *Cc:* Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
> My experience is with a whole car.? I used Sherpa Auto Transport,
> and what they do is use subcontractors to actually do the
> shipping.? Mine with through AT Transport.
>
> I didn't like the delay involved with them finding a shipper,
> but everything went smoothly and the car arrived in the
> condition it was picked up.
>
> I get that you're not transporting a whole car, but maybe
> Sherpa has a subcontractor who ships car parts in crates.
>
> Shannah
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 10:09?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
>     I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need
>     to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
>     thanks
>     tim
>     _______________________________________________
>
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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 16:09:47 2025
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T Blair)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 23:09:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug
References: <1941839697.3633184.1762816187758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Was over at my son's house this afternoon.? He's working on his Ford F150 up with the turbo (can't remember what Ford calls that - economy of a 6 and power of a V8).? He had to replace the valve (rocker box) cover as it was leaking as were the spark plug gaskets as the well the plugs were in were foll of oil.? He managed to get it all done.? However, we wanted to change the plugs.? When he tried to break the 1st plug loose, it wouldn't budge.? He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and breaker bar to no avail.? We went looking for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter so we could get more torque using a larger 1/2" ratchet and or breaker bar, but we couldn't find an adapter.? 

Now this being said, I remember seeing something about using an impact wrench on an ezout because it turns so little that you don't break the ezout.? I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spark plug?? We did squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll and let sit for about 5 min and tried again with the 3/8" drive breaker bar.??
So my question to the group is:? Do you think that we could use an impact wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose remove it with the ratchet?
JohnT
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From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 16:19:12 2025
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 18:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug
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Impact wrench seems like the high tech version of BFH. It should work -
until something breaks...

https://www.f150forum.com/f38/seized-spark-plug-473499/

EjR

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 6:12?PM John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:

> Do you think that we could use an impact wrench to break the plug loose
> then once it's broken loose remove it with the ratchet?
>
> JohnT
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Mon Nov 10 17:06:51 2025
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 19:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug
In-Reply-To: <1941839697.3633184.1762816187758@mail.yahoo.com>
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> On Nov 10, 2025, at 6:09 PM, John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> So my question to the group is:  Do you think that we could use an impact wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose remove it with the ratchet?

I'd be afraid of breaking the ceramic and them you have ceramic shards everywhere. I'd soak it for a day with PB Blaster and thhen try loosening and tightening with the breaker bar, trying to work a bit of play into the threads so the PB can get in even more. But if you have steel plugs seized to aluminum heads, maybe just better to keep the existing plugs. 

I'd also go searching on the model-specific forums to see what others have done. It's likely a common issue. Good luck!

jim

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From miq at bigllama.com  Mon Nov 10 17:22:02 2025
From: miq at bigllama.com (MIQ MILLMAN)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 16:22:02 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug
In-Reply-To: <1941839697.3633184.1762816187758@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1941839697.3633184.1762816187758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1941839697.3633184.1762816187758@mail.yahoo.com>
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The new battery powered impact guns are much better than numbers would
indicate when compared to air powered.  Probably something to do with
electric motors having full torque at 0 rpm.

I have a snap-on 1/2 pneumatic that is rated at 1200 ft-lb break away and
800 ft-lb working torque and a hercules 20v 1/2 drive with a 1000 ft-lb
break away rating,   The battery can remove anything I jam on max effort
with the Snap-on with only 2 or 3 ugga-duggas.

The above is not a non-sequitur, just pointing out that if you do use a
modern battery impact gun, you might be limiting the rotation, you will not
be limiting the effort exerted.

I'd remove the rubber hose inner bit on the spark plug socket so that it
fully seats on the hex faces of the spark plug if you do try this, to limit
breaking the ceramics.

  --Miq




On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:15?PM John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:

> Was over at my son's house this afternoon.  He's working on his Ford F150
> up with the turbo (can't remember what Ford calls that - economy of a 6 and
> power of a V8).  He had to replace the valve (rocker box) cover as it was
> leaking as were the spark plug gaskets as the well the plugs were in were
> foll of oil.  He managed to get it all done.  However, we wanted to change
> the plugs.  When he tried to break the 1st plug loose, it wouldn't budge.
> He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and breaker bar to no avail.  We went looking
> for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter so we could get more torque using a larger 1/2"
> ratchet and or breaker bar, but we couldn't find an adapter.
>
> Now this being said, I remember seeing something about using an impact
> wrench on an ezout because it turns so little that you don't break the
> ezout.  I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spark plug?  We did
> squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll and let sit for about 5 min and
> tried again with the 3/8" drive breaker bar.
>
> So my question to the group is:  Do you think that we could use an impact
> wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose remove it with
> the ratchet?
>
> JohnT
>
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>
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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 17:41:13 2025
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 16:41:13 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug
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I am a big believer in impact wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast,
hard whack they give that actually puts less torque against the threads.
Penetrating oil may or may not do anything, but if you wanted to soak them
down overnight and then hit it with an impact wrench in the morning, I
would not be surprised if they all came out without any damage.

If they do not need changing at this point (new plugs can last 100K miles)
you might just want to leave sleeping dogs lie.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 4:30?PM MIQ MILLMAN <miq at bigllama.com> wrote:

> The new battery powered impact guns are much better than numbers would
> indicate when compared to air powered.  Probably something to do with
> electric motors having full torque at 0 rpm.
>
> I have a snap-on 1/2 pneumatic that is rated at 1200 ft-lb break away and
> 800 ft-lb working torque and a hercules 20v 1/2 drive with a 1000 ft-lb
> break away rating,   The battery can remove anything I jam on max effort
> with the Snap-on with only 2 or 3 ugga-duggas.
>
> The above is not a non-sequitur, just pointing out that if you do use a
> modern battery impact gun, you might be limiting the rotation, you will not
> be limiting the effort exerted.
>
> I'd remove the rubber hose inner bit on the spark plug socket so that it
> fully seats on the hex faces of the spark plug if you do try this, to limit
> breaking the ceramics.
>
>   --Miq
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:15?PM John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Was over at my son's house this afternoon.  He's working on his Ford F150
>> up with the turbo (can't remember what Ford calls that - economy of a 6 and
>> power of a V8).  He had to replace the valve (rocker box) cover as it was
>> leaking as were the spark plug gaskets as the well the plugs were in were
>> foll of oil.  He managed to get it all done.  However, we wanted to change
>> the plugs.  When he tried to break the 1st plug loose, it wouldn't budge.
>> He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and breaker bar to no avail.  We went looking
>> for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter so we could get more torque using a larger 1/2"
>> ratchet and or breaker bar, but we couldn't find an adapter.
>>
>> Now this being said, I remember seeing something about using an impact
>> wrench on an ezout because it turns so little that you don't break the
>> ezout.  I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spark plug?  We did
>> squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll and let sit for about 5 min and
>> tried again with the 3/8" drive breaker bar.
>>
>> So my question to the group is:  Do you think that we could use an impact
>> wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose remove it with
>> the ratchet?
>>
>> JohnT
>>
>> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
>> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>>
>> 48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>>      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>>                        65 Rambler Classic
>>
>> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
>>
>> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
>>
>> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
>> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>>
>> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
>>      e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
>>      In God We Trust
>>      Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
>>                   oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
>>
>>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 18:51:22 2025
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 17:51:22 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug
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I'm a big fan of impact wrenches, but half-inch, IMO, could be overkill 
(the battery DeWalt I have, IIRC, is rated over 200lb-ft). Also, I 
haven't found air or battery triggers to be very 'featherable.'

I have a 3/8" Craftsman impact I got as part of a kit with an airless 
compressor. Normally, I run pneumatic at 90PSI, but with it I would 
start at, say, 50PSI and work up. Or, if all you have is a half-inch 
start at maybe 30PSI. Make sure the socket is on straight so you don't 
break the ceramic.

Bob


On 11/10/2025 3:09 PM, John T Blair wrote:
> Was over at my son's house this afternoon.? He's working on his Ford 
> F150 up with the turbo (can't remember what Ford calls that - economy 
> of a 6 and power of a V8).? He had to replace the valve (rocker box) 
> cover as it was leaking as were the spark plug gaskets as the well the 
> plugs were in were foll of oil.? He managed to get it all done.? 
> However, we wanted to change the plugs.? When he tried to break the 
> 1st plug loose, it wouldn't budge.? He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and 
> breaker bar to no avail.? We went looking for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter 
> so we could get more torque using a larger 1/2" ratchet and or breaker 
> bar, but we couldn't find an adapter.
>
> Now this being said, I remember seeing something about using an impact 
> wrench on an ezout because it turns so little that you don't break the 
> ezout.? I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spark plug?? We 
> did squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll and let sit for about 
> 5 min and tried again with the 3/8" drive breaker bar.
>
> So my question to the group is:? Do you think that we could use an 
> impact wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose 
> remove it with the ratchet?
>
> JohnT
>
> John T. Blair? WA4OHZ???? email: jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va????????????????? Phone:? (757) 495-8229
>
> 48 TR1800??? 48 #4 Midget??? 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
> ???? 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)??? 77 Spitfire??? 71 Saab Sonett III
> ?????????????????????? 65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/
>
> <http://autox.team.net/morgan/>Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org
>
> <http://www.bricklin.org/>If you can read this???????????? - Thank a 
> teacher!
> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>
> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
> ???? e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
> ???? In God We Trust
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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 21:42:29 2025
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T Blair)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 04:42:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug
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   On Monday, November 10, 2025 at 07:41:27 PM EST,? you wrote: 

>I am a big believer in impact wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast, hard whack they give?>that actually puts less torque against the threads. Penetrating oil may or may not do?>anything, but if you wanted to soak them down overnight and then hit it with an impact?>wrench in the morning, I would not be surprised if they all came out without any damage.>
>If they do not need changing at this point (new plugs can last 100K miles) you might just?>want to leave sleeping dogs lie.
Douglas,
Currently that's what we are doing.? He got it back together as I was leaving.? He said he fired it up, and took for a test drive, no CIL, ran fine.? But this is something I've been afraid of 
with the cars going 100Kmi / plug change.? We really don't know how many miles are on these plugs as he's the 3rd owner.? I was figuring that if he was going to be in there, why not changed the plugs.? But when we ran into this problem he and I agreed, "if it aint broke, don't fix it".
But I've got an 06 Scion xB with 64K mi, and a 12 second gen xB with 74Kmi and neither has had the plugs changed.? So I'm worried I may have the same problem.
If we decide to get the plugs out in the near future, I'll keep you posted, but don't hold your breath. 

Thanks to all that responded.
JohnT
  

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From parkanzky at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 06:17:48 2025
From: parkanzky at gmail.com (Paul Parkanzky)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 08:17:48 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug
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Are you trying to get them out on a hot or cold engine? Toss the ratchet
with the plug wrench and a pair of thick gloves (for the heat) in the
center console and next time he parks it after a nice long drive on the
highway have him try the plugs right away. That aluminum head will have a
much higher coefficient of linear expansion than steel so getting it good
and hot should give you a better shot.

-Paul

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:59?PM John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:

> On Monday, November 10, 2025 at 07:41:27 PM EST,  you wrote:
>
> >I am a big believer in impact wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast,
> hard whack they give
> >that actually puts less torque against the threads. Penetrating oil may
> or may not do
> >anything, but if you wanted to soak them down overnight and then hit it
> with an impact
> >wrench in the morning, I would not be surprised if they all came out
> without any damage.
> >
> >If they do not need changing at this point (new plugs can last 100K
> miles) you might just
> >want to leave sleeping dogs lie.
>
> Douglas,
>
> Currently that's what we are doing.  He got it back together as I was
> leaving.  He said he fired it up, and took for a test drive, no CIL, ran
> fine.  But this is something I've been afraid of
> with the cars going 100Kmi / plug change.  We really don't know how many
> miles are on these plugs as he's the 3rd owner.  I was figuring that if he
> was going to be in there, why not changed the plugs.  But when we ran into
> this problem he and I agreed, "if it aint broke, don't fix it".
>
> But I've got an 06 Scion xB with 64K mi, and a 12 second gen xB with 74Kmi
> and neither has had the plugs changed.  So I'm worried I may have the same
> problem.[image: Emoji]
>
> If we decide to get the plugs out in the near future, I'll keep you
> posted, but don't hold your breath.
>
> Thanks to all that responded.
>
> JohnT
>
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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 06:48:09 2025
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 05:48:09 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug
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Hi Paul,

That is a great suggestion about trying it once the heads are hot,
particularly for an aluminum head engine. Great advice!

On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 5:18?AM Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you trying to get them out on a hot or cold engine? Toss the ratchet
> with the plug wrench and a pair of thick gloves (for the heat) in the
> center console and next time he parks it after a nice long drive on the
> highway have him try the plugs right away. That aluminum head will have a
> much higher coefficient of linear expansion than steel so getting it good
> and hot should give you a better shot.
>
> -Paul
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:59?PM John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 10, 2025 at 07:41:27 PM EST,  you wrote:
>>
>> >I am a big believer in impact wrenches, air or electric. It is that
>> fast, hard whack they give
>> >that actually puts less torque against the threads. Penetrating oil may
>> or may not do
>> >anything, but if you wanted to soak them down overnight and then hit it
>> with an impact
>> >wrench in the morning, I would not be surprised if they all came out
>> without any damage.
>> >
>> >If they do not need changing at this point (new plugs can last 100K
>> miles) you might just
>> >want to leave sleeping dogs lie.
>>
>> Douglas,
>>
>> Currently that's what we are doing.  He got it back together as I was
>> leaving.  He said he fired it up, and took for a test drive, no CIL, ran
>> fine.  But this is something I've been afraid of
>> with the cars going 100Kmi / plug change.  We really don't know how many
>> miles are on these plugs as he's the 3rd owner.  I was figuring that if he
>> was going to be in there, why not changed the plugs.  But when we ran into
>> this problem he and I agreed, "if it aint broke, don't fix it".
>>
>> But I've got an 06 Scion xB with 64K mi, and a 12 second gen xB with
>> 74Kmi and neither has had the plugs changed.  So I'm worried I may have the
>> same problem.[image: Emoji]
>>
>> If we decide to get the plugs out in the near future, I'll keep you
>> posted, but don't hold your breath.
>>
>> Thanks to all that responded.
>>
>> JohnT
>>
>
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