[Shop-talk] gotto love outlook

[Douglas Shook]

There literally is much more spam being sent than legitimate emails and the
email providers have had to get more aggressive with their filtering. The
spammers continually evolve their messages real-time to look like
legitimate email, and then the legitimate emails start to look more like
spam and get caught-up in the filters at the domain level as well as at the
individual inbox level.

I was the CIO at the University of Southern California and we received over
30 million emails each day with 90+% of them being phishes, spams, sales,
etc. It almost is like extortion as we needed to keep buying more and more
spam processing hardware just to filter through all of the junk mail being
sent at us quickly enough to find and deliver the legitimate email in a
timely manner.

So what happens, unfortunately, is that there are false-positives and some
non-zero amount of legitimate email will not be delivered as it was
filtered at the domain-level, and some delivered email will be flagged as
spam and sent to your junk email folders.

Email from the same sender may get tagged as spam today and a different
email from that same sender was delivered last week because the filters are
constantly adapting the the emails they are processing at the time (e.g.,
because of other spam being sent that day, the content of a sender's
message may hit the probability level to get flagged even though you have
received email from that same person yesterday). It really has less to do
with the sender or the content of their message than it does with what the
spammers are doing at the same time when the filters are making the
comparisons.


On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 4:01 PM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks at live.com> wrote:

> Jim,
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> It’s been like this for years. Unless it was another list, I seem to
> recall that at one point mjb did something to remedy it, but it’s for some
> reason, it seems to have slipped back into someone’s bad graces and gets
> nailed as junk by Outlook, even with my junk settings on “Low”. A huge
> number of our members, as well as the list name are on my Safe recipient
> list, but the emails still get tagged.  I don’t know what the answer is.
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> Jack
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> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Stone
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 1, 2025 7:52 AM
> *To:* Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
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> I’d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my spam
> folder.  (Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.)  This thread is
> a good example.  I got Pat’s response in my inbox, while Tim’s original was
> in my junk folder.
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> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> wrote:
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> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven’t taken the time to see if it
> happens with all my emails, I don’t use outlook, but from my iPhone & I
> think from Thunderbird.
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> Pat Horne
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> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08 AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com> wrote:
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> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
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