From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 16:17:02 2026
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 18:17:02 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fireplace blowers
Message-ID: <E85EA3A1-B08A-4C23-9D95-96001339C5FA@gmail.com>

On the oft chance that anyone here ever needs a fireplace blower, I want to pass on a recommendation: https://fireplaceblowersonline.com/. The fan that came with my wood-burning stove crapped out after about 4 years.  I replaced it with one I purchased from Fireplace Blowers and that one died a few weeks ago, about a month after the warranty had expired.  I contacted the company - which appears to be three family founders and one employee - and got an immediate response from Jason, one of the founders.  We discussed the blower online and I sent him a video of it running/not running.  He immediately sent me a new one, even though the warranty on the original had expired.

I don?t know how many more fireplace blowers I will buy in my life but certainly not enough that my loyalty to this company will pay them back.  So, just in case anyone here ever needs one, I cannot recommend this company highly enough!

Jim
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From eric at megageek.com  Wed Jan  7 02:18:27 2026
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 04:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fireplace blowers
In-Reply-To: <E85EA3A1-B08A-4C23-9D95-96001339C5FA@gmail.com>
References: <E85EA3A1-B08A-4C23-9D95-96001339C5FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFC4A30442.05522631-ON85258D78.0032999E-85258D78.003320C5@mail.megageek.com>

Jim,

Thanks for sharing that.  It's always good to hear about businesses that 
go out of their way to do what is right.

Can you please check the web link you sent?  When I went to check it out, 
I'm getting security warnings on WOT (Web of Trust) that the site is a 
potential scam.

This could be a false positive, or the link could have been mistyped.  If 
this is the correct link, maybe you should contact them and let them know 
so they can find and fix the issue that is causing the security alert. WOT 
is pretty good and I normally never see these warnings.  I guess it is 
even possible that some unhappy customer of theirs might be trying to 
sabotage them.

Thanks again for sharing.

Moose



From:   Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com>
To:     Shop Talk <shop-talk at Autox.Team.Net>
Date:   01/06/2026 18:22
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Fireplace blowers
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>



On the oft chance that anyone here ever needs a fireplace blower, I want 
to pass on a recommendation: https://fireplaceblowersonline.com/. The fan 
that came with my wood-burning stove crapped out after about 4 years.  I 
replaced it with one I purchased from Fireplace Blowers and that one died 
a few weeks ago, about a month after the warranty had expired.  I 
contacted the company - which appears to be three family founders and one 
employee - and got an immediate response from Jason, one of the founders. 
We discussed the blower online and I sent him a video of it running/not 
running.  He immediately sent me a new one, even though the warranty on 
the original had expired.

I don?t know how many more fireplace blowers I will buy in my life but 
certainly not enough that my loyalty to this company will pay them back. 
So, just in case anyone here ever needs one, I cannot recommend this 
company highly enough!

Jim_______________________________________________

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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 07:25:57 2026
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 09:25:57 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fireplace blowers
In-Reply-To: <OFC4A30442.05522631-ON85258D78.0032999E-85258D78.003320C5@mail.megageek.com>
References: <E85EA3A1-B08A-4C23-9D95-96001339C5FA@gmail.com>
 <OFC4A30442.05522631-ON85258D78.0032999E-85258D78.003320C5@mail.megageek.com>
Message-ID: <88148E94-5800-4768-A989-5BF91FE17073@gmail.com>

That is interesting, Moose.  The link is correct and I don't get any warnings on either Safari or Chrome.  I did verify your experience with WOT, which I will pass on to them.  FWIW, they also sell through Amazon, if you prefer to avoid their site.  https://www.amazon.com/s?srs=9346378011&rh=p_89%3AFireplaceBlowersOnline

> On Jan 7, 2026, at 4:18?AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> 
> Jim, 
> 
> Thanks for sharing that.  It's always good to hear about businesses that go out of their way to do what is right. 
> 
> Can you please check the web link you sent?  When I went to check it out, I'm getting security warnings on WOT (Web of Trust) that the site is a potential scam. 
> 
> This could be a false positive, or the link could have been mistyped.  If this is the correct link, maybe you should contact them and let them know so they can find and fix the issue that is causing the security alert.  WOT is pretty good and I normally never see these warnings.  I guess it is even possible that some unhappy customer of theirs might be trying to sabotage them. 
> 
> Thanks again for sharing. 
> 
> Moose 
> 
> 
> 
> From:        Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> 
> To:        Shop Talk <shop-talk at Autox.Team.Net> 
> Date:        01/06/2026 18:22 
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Fireplace blowers 
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>
> 
> 
> 
> On the oft chance that anyone here ever needs a fireplace blower, I want to pass on a recommendation: https://fireplaceblowersonline.com/. The fan that came with my wood-burning stove crapped out after about 4 years.  I replaced it with one I purchased from Fireplace Blowers and that one died a few weeks ago, about a month after the warranty had expired.  I contacted the company - which appears to be three family founders and one employee - and got an immediate response from Jason, one of the founders.  We discussed the blower online and I sent him a video of it running/not running.  He immediately sent me a new one, even though the warranty on the original had expired. 
> 
> I don?t know how many more fireplace blowers I will buy in my life but certainly not enough that my loyalty to this company will pay them back.  So, just in case anyone here ever needs one, I cannot recommend this company highly enough! 
> 
> Jim_______________________________________________
> 
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Wed Jan  7 08:39:33 2026
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 15:39:33 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR14MB28623F177EB08243E96686AAB4A4A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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I pulled off what turned out to be just a retaining "nut". It exposed what you see in the two pictures.

I assume I can pull the gray plastic bit off if necessary.

Is that notch in the bottom of the brass collar meant to be used with a tool to remove the cartridge?

If so, I guess I get to buy a new tool.

Thanks
tim

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:03 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] odd cartridge??

A picture might help.....ffs tim
________________________________
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:02 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: odd cartridge??

I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just do both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is but assume 40+ years, maybe 50.

This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembly, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.

Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? Or should I just hope I can rebuild it?

I can find no markings to ID the system.

Thanks
tim
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Wed Jan  7 08:46:09 2026
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 15:46:09 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR14MB286248A5897E90E8BDBD8B81B484A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB286277E9BE9F9560D48729F4B4A4A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <MN2PR14MB28623F177EB08243E96686AAB4A4A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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________________________________
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2026 9:39 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??

I pulled off what turned out to be just a retaining "nut". It exposed what you see in the two pictures.

I assume I can pull the gray plastic bit off if necessary.

Is that notch in the bottom of the brass collar meant to be used with a tool to remove the cartridge?

If so, I guess I get to buy a new tool.

Thanks
tim

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:03 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] odd cartridge??

A picture might help.....ffs tim
________________________________
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:02 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: odd cartridge??

I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just do both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is but assume 40+ years, maybe 50.

This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembly, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.

Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? Or should I just hope I can rebuild it?

I can find no markings to ID the system.

Thanks
tim
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Wed Jan  7 08:56:27 2026
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 15:56:27 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR14MB286248A5897E90E8BDBD8B81B484A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB286277E9BE9F9560D48729F4B4A4A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <MN2PR14MB28623F177EB08243E96686AAB4A4A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <MN2PR14MB286248A5897E90E8BDBD8B81B484A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR14MB2862DDF842FA14D81810A6CDB484A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Never mind. I got it out.
ffs
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2026 9:39 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??

I pulled off what turned out to be just a retaining "nut". It exposed what you see in the two pictures.

I assume I can pull the gray plastic bit off if necessary.

Is that notch in the bottom of the brass collar meant to be used with a tool to remove the cartridge?

If so, I guess I get to buy a new tool.

Thanks
tim

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:03 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] odd cartridge??

A picture might help.....ffs tim
________________________________
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:02 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: odd cartridge??

I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just do both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is but assume 40+ years, maybe 50.

This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembly, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.

Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? Or should I just hope I can rebuild it?

I can find no markings to ID the system.

Thanks
tim
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Wed Jan  7 13:39:56 2026
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 20:39:56 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??
In-Reply-To: <CAOtbU9U1E7Z2dH1OAJo2uMDRF2kpMtQV9jVih7FtdsAjwJs1Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB286277E9BE9F9560D48729F4B4A4A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <MN2PR14MB28623F177EB08243E96686AAB4A4A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <MN2PR14MB2862B4EA3BAB749004EA4B1BB484A@MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks. I figured that out but it took a pretty hefty pull the get it out and I didn't want to destroy it incase I could not find a replacement.

________________________________
From: Doug Braun <doug at dougbraun.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2026 10:30 AM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??

You should be able to simply pull out the shaft and the grey plastic part.  Then you can
more easily compare it to what is available.

Doug

On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 10:49?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
I pulled off what turned out to be just a retaining "nut". It exposed what you see in the two pictures.

I assume I can pull the gray plastic bit off if necessary.

Is that notch in the bottom of the brass collar meant to be used with a tool to remove the cartridge?

If so, I guess I get to buy a new tool.

Thanks
tim

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:03 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net<mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] odd cartridge??

A picture might help.....ffs tim
________________________________
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:02 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net<mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net>>
Subject: odd cartridge??

I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just do both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is but assume 40+ years, maybe 50.

This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembly, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.

Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? Or should I just hope I can rebuild it?

I can find no markings to ID the system.

Thanks
tim
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From tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com  Wed Jan  7 18:44:06 2026
From: tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com (Tim .)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 01:44:06 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??
In-Reply-To: <CAOtbU9W+YkzeiNR8tX1-3X9+xGAe60fEWM9AdG8keVSXRvR5vw@mail.gmail.com>
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Welllllllllllllllllll, yea, maybe. But, I just got my water bill for last month. Over $140. For two people. New toilets, low flow shower head, no leaks that I can find. Any my wife pretty much only showers at the gym. Soooo, I try not to waste any water. (The leak I just fixed was a small drip and only when the knob was turned on.)
________________________________
From: Doug Braun <doug at dougbraun.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2026 3:03 PM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??

It might have been fun to turn the water back on, and see if the pressure would blow it out  :-)

Doug

On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 3:39?PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
Thanks. I figured that out but it took a pretty hefty pull the get it out and I didn't want to destroy it incase I could not find a replacement.

________________________________
From: Doug Braun <doug at dougbraun.com<mailto:doug at dougbraun.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2026 10:30 AM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] ongoing/updated Re: odd cartridge??

You should be able to simply pull out the shaft and the grey plastic part.  Then you can
more easily compare it to what is available.

Doug

On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 10:49?AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>> wrote:
I pulled off what turned out to be just a retaining "nut". It exposed what you see in the two pictures.

I assume I can pull the gray plastic bit off if necessary.

Is that notch in the bottom of the brass collar meant to be used with a tool to remove the cartridge?

If so, I guess I get to buy a new tool.

Thanks
tim

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:03 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net<mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] odd cartridge??

A picture might help.....ffs tim
________________________________
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com<mailto:tims_datsun_stuff at outlook.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:02 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net<mailto:shop-talk at autox.team.net>>
Subject: odd cartridge??

I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just do both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is but assume 40+ years, maybe 50.

This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembly, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.

Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? Or should I just hope I can rebuild it?

I can find no markings to ID the system.

Thanks
tim
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From eric at megageek.com  Tue Jan 20 12:40:50 2026
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 14:40:50 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Let's run right out a get a Porsche
In-Reply-To: <929087998.1391924.1768937174886@mail.yahoo.com>
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NO worries, the car will break WAY before you have time to get the air 
cleaner dirty!

Seriously, I don't know why these 'premium' brands hate there mechanics so 
much.

My buddy is a Land Rover guy and has two of them.  They have been on my 
lift more than any other car I know.  Each time, for crazy problems that 
take forever to diagnose (WITH LR specific computers).  He spends 
thousands in parts that aren't the problem (but the computer say it is.) 
Getting to the parts are insanely complex, often requiring special tools 
and parts that are 'consumable' so they can't be reinstalled.

I'm an American truck guy, and I don't think I'm ever buying a vehicle 
newer than 2015.  8>0

Moose



From:   John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net>
To: 
Date:   01/20/2026 14:26
Subject:        Let's run right out a get a Porsche



Check out changing the air filter on a Porche

https://x.com/auto_moto_pl/status/2013329634234945964

Really makes you want one, right?

JohnT,

John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/

Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
     In God We Trust
     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for 
                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction 





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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Tue Jan 20 13:19:44 2026
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 15:19:44 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Let's run right out a get a Porsche
In-Reply-To: <OFFFF60D84.FECF1CA8-ON85258D85.006BA8C5-85258D85.006C1BEE@mail.megageek.com>
References: <929087998.1391924.1768937174886.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <929087998.1391924.1768937174886@mail.yahoo.com>
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I have a 1997 Porsche Boxster that was inexpensive to buy. It recently 
developed a leak in the coolant recovery tank, leaking into the rear 
trunk. The Porsche branded part goes for $358. There are five (5) hoses 
running to it that disappear into the engine compartment. The hose 
clamps are barely accessible. The tank cannot be removed unless and 
until the hoses are disconnected on the engine side of the firewall. 
Porsche allows 4 hours for the repair.

Setting your model-year limit at 2015 probably won't help much.




On 1/20/2026 2:40 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> NO worries, the car will break WAY before you have time to get the air 
> cleaner dirty!
>
> Seriously, I don't know why these 'premium' brands hate there 
> mechanics so much.
>
> My buddy is a Land Rover guy and has two of them. ?They have been on 
> my lift more than any other car I know. ?Each time, for crazy problems 
> that take forever to diagnose (WITH LR specific computers). ?He spends 
> thousands in parts that aren't the problem (but the computer say it 
> is.) ?Getting to the parts are insanely complex, often requiring 
> special tools and parts that are 'consumable' so they can't be 
> reinstalled.
>
> I'm an American truck guy, and I don't think I'm ever buying a vehicle 
> newer than 2015. ?8>0
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From: John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net>
> To:
> Date: 01/20/2026 14:26
> Subject: Let's run right out a get a Porsche
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Check out changing the air filter on a Porche
>
> _https://x.com/auto_moto_pl/status/2013329634234945964_ 
> <https://x.com/auto_moto_pl/status/2013329634234945964>
>
> Really makes you want one, right?
>
> JohnT,
>
> John T. Blair ?WA4OHZ ? ? email: jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Phone: ?(757) 495-8229
>
> 48 TR1800 ? ?48 #4 Midget ? ?65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
> ? ? 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) ? ?77 Spitfire ?71 Saab Sonett III
> ? 65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan: _http://autox.team.net/morgan/
> _ <http://autox.team.net/morgan/>
> Bricklin: _http://www.bricklin.org
> _ <http://www.bricklin.org/>
> If you can read this ? ? ? ? ? ? - Thank a teacher!
> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>
> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
> ? ? e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
> ? ? In God We Trust
> ? ? Liberty - the ?power ?of ?choosing, ?thinking, ?and ?acting ?for
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?oneself; freedom ?from ?control ?or ?restriction
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 15:14:31 2026
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 16:14:31 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Let's run right out a get a Porsche
In-Reply-To: <0c731bde-a71e-4522-aee5-f81a06b5d3e8@snet.net>
References: <929087998.1391924.1768937174886.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <929087998.1391924.1768937174886@mail.yahoo.com>
 <OFFFF60D84.FECF1CA8-ON85258D85.006BA8C5-85258D85.006C1BEE@mail.megageek.com>
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 2:59?PM Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:
>
> I have a 1997 Porsche Boxster that was inexpensive to buy. It recently developed a leak in the coolant recovery tank, leaking into the rear trunk. The Porsche branded part goes for $358. There are five (5) hoses running to it that disappear into the engine compartment. The hose clamps are barely accessible. The tank cannot be removed unless and until the hoses are disconnected on the engine side of the firewall. Porsche allows 4 hours for the repair.
>
> Setting your model-year limit at 2015 probably won't help much.

Limiting it to 2015 avoids some of the current stupidity with
excessively complicated computer controlled everything, with software
written by idiots who don't test anything.  I recently drove a couple
of volvo suvs, which were loaners for my wife's car, which was in the
shop becasue the software sucks.  Both of the loaners had turn signal
clicking that didn't work properly.  Of course, in the old days, the
turn signals were flashed by a mechanical flasher, but now, the body
computer does it, and tells the speakers to play click sounds.  The
click sounds were not at all in sync with the blinking light, and
would sometimes not click for a flash, or click three times for one.
If I'd been test driving one of them, I'd have not gotten out of the
lot.  If you can't make something obvious and easy to test work right,
I doubt you're getting the hard stuff right.  (and given my wife's car
has been to the dealer five times in a year for software problems,
including the week she bought it, I rather suspect they haven't.)





>
>
>
>
> On 1/20/2026 2:40 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
>
> NO worries, the car will break WAY before you have time to get the air cleaner dirty!
>
> Seriously, I don't know why these 'premium' brands hate there mechanics so much.
>
> My buddy is a Land Rover guy and has two of them.  They have been on my lift more than any other car I know.  Each time, for crazy problems that take forever to diagnose (WITH LR specific computers).  He spends thousands in parts that aren't the problem (but the computer say it is.)  Getting to the parts are insanely complex, often requiring special tools and parts that are 'consumable' so they can't be reinstalled.
>
> I'm an American truck guy, and I don't think I'm ever buying a vehicle newer than 2015.  8>0
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From:        John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net>
> To:
> Date:        01/20/2026 14:26
> Subject:        Let's run right out a get a Porsche
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> Check out changing the air filter on a Porche
>
> https://x.com/auto_moto_pl/status/2013329634234945964
>
> Really makes you want one, right?
>
> JohnT,
>
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>
> 48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                       65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
>
> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
>
> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>
> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
>     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
>     In God We Trust
>     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
>                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Tue Jan 20 17:28:12 2026
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 19:28:12 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Let's run right out a get a Porsche
In-Reply-To: <CA+k5supmgovQvVaSFZVZnVUWf_GjO4V48+i5Z4R=cenqgReN-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <929087998.1391924.1768937174886.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <OFFFF60D84.FECF1CA8-ON85258D85.006BA8C5-85258D85.006C1BEE@mail.megageek.com>
 <0c731bde-a71e-4522-aee5-f81a06b5d3e8@snet.net>
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Some approach technology better than others. We have a '24 Mazda 3 
(because it's one of the few new cars that has a manual transmission) 
and it has not succumbed to the touch screen nonsense. There are 
switches and buttons to control most everything, although I'm sure they 
connect only to that big computer. It does have a touch screen for the 
navigation system (which you can also speak to) and audio systems, but 
remarkably, the touch function won't work if the car is in motion; you 
have to use a knob and pushbuttons on the console.

The car is still subservient to the computer, though.


On 1/20/2026 5:14 PM, David Scheidt wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 2:59?PM Jim Juhas<james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:
>> I have a 1997 Porsche Boxster that was inexpensive to buy. It recently developed a leak in the coolant recovery tank, leaking into the rear trunk. The Porsche branded part goes for $358. There are five (5) hoses running to it that disappear into the engine compartment. The hose clamps are barely accessible. The tank cannot be removed unless and until the hoses are disconnected on the engine side of the firewall. Porsche allows 4 hours for the repair.
>>
>> Setting your model-year limit at 2015 probably won't help much.
> Limiting it to 2015 avoids some of the current stupidity with
> excessively complicated computer controlled everything, with software
> written by idiots who don't test anything.  I recently drove a couple
> of volvo suvs, which were loaners for my wife's car, which was in the
> shop becasue the software sucks.  Both of the loaners had turn signal
> clicking that didn't work properly.  Of course, in the old days, the
> turn signals were flashed by a mechanical flasher, but now, the body
> computer does it, and tells the speakers to play click sounds.  The
> click sounds were not at all in sync with the blinking light, and
> would sometimes not click for a flash, or click three times for one.
> If I'd been test driving one of them, I'd have not gotten out of the
> lot.  If you can't make something obvious and easy to test work right,
> I doubt you're getting the hard stuff right.  (and given my wife's car
> has been to the dealer five times in a year for software problems,
> including the week she bought it, I rather suspect they haven't.)
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/20/2026 2:40 PM,eric at megageek.com wrote:
>>
>> NO worries, the car will break WAY before you have time to get the air cleaner dirty!
>>
>> Seriously, I don't know why these 'premium' brands hate there mechanics so much.
>>
>> My buddy is a Land Rover guy and has two of them.  They have been on my lift more than any other car I know.  Each time, for crazy problems that take forever to diagnose (WITH LR specific computers).  He spends thousands in parts that aren't the problem (but the computer say it is.)  Getting to the parts are insanely complex, often requiring special tools and parts that are 'consumable' so they can't be reinstalled.
>>
>> I'm an American truck guy, and I don't think I'm ever buying a vehicle newer than 2015.  8>0
>>
>> Moose
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        John T Blair<jblair1948 at cox.net>
>> To:
>> Date:        01/20/2026 14:26
>> Subject:        Let's run right out a get a Porsche
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> Check out changing the air filter on a Porche
>>
>> https://x.com/auto_moto_pl/status/2013329634234945964
>>
>> Really makes you want one, right?
>>
>> JohnT,
>>
>> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:jblair1948 at cox.net
>> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>>
>> 48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>>      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>>                        65 Rambler Classic
>>
>> Morgan:http://autox.team.net/morgan/
>>
>> Bricklin:http://www.bricklin.org
>>
>> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
>> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>>
>>  From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
>>      e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
>>      In God We Trust
>>      Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
>>                   oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
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>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 20 23:10:37 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 23:10:37 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] Let's run right out a get a Porsche
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On 1/20/26 12:40 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:

> 
> I'm an American truck guy, and I don't think I'm ever buying a vehicle 
> newer than 2015. ?8>0
> 
> Moose
anage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mark at bradakis.com
> 

I recently bought a 2010 Jaguar XK.  Fun to drive, lovely car.  But 
there is way to much computer stuff in it for my tastes.  I still don't 
know if it has an actual dipstick, you check the oil through the dash 
display.  It is one car I will probably almost always take to the dealer 
for everything, it is not DIY friendly.  But it is the fastest vehicle I 
have ever owned!

mjb.

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From dirtbeard at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 06:05:18 2026
From: dirtbeard at gmail.com (Douglas Shook)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2026 05:05:18 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] Let's run right out a get a Porsche
In-Reply-To: <da255107-9d0f-431e-bb82-c64256fc96ec@bradakis.com>
References: <929087998.1391924.1768937174886.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I think Moose's 2015 "cut-off date" for purchasing a vehicle is sound.

Remember when exhaust systems on new cars would rust out in three years (in
Northern climates), starters and alternators would need to be replaced by
50K miles, water pumps, hoses and radiators would be fortunate to last 70K
miles, brakes would need to be relined every 20K miles, etc.? Spark plugs,
wires, caps, rotors, etc, were regular maintenance items? When cars would
be high performance if they had over 250HP, and average gas mileage was in
the teens?

I love the old cars, do not take me wrong, I have five of them, but for all
practical purposes the newer cars are so much more reliable, powerful and
fuel efficient there really is no comparison for most drivers.

These new cars can go 100K miles without much of anything done to them,
maybe a sensor here or there.

The one major disadvantage exception is for those of us who want to work on
our own cars. I think the 2000 to about 2015 as Moose said is somewhat of a
sweet spot in that you get 90% of the performance, efficiency, reliability
improvements without all of the complexities of the last decade of
technological "improvements" that make the cars almost unserviceable at
home.

I have never leased a car before, but I almost think that now it may make
sense to do so if you want to drive a new car. Buying a new car and keeping
it for ten or 15 years does not sound like a good option anymore. I just
cannot imagine what one of the new cars will be like to own once all of the
electronics start to age and fail, or what equipment one would need to try
to even diagnose the faults, let alone get to the defective part if it
still is even available.

This may be less of a problem for states that do not have smog checks, but
for California, cars 1975 and older do not require smog checks, but 1976
and newer need biennial smog checks and all of the systems must be
functioning correctly.

Because of the smog checks, I will only own pre-1976 cars or cars newer
than 1990 as the smog equipment and systems on the 1976-1990 cars are so
horrible to try to maintain, all of the vacuum lines, EGR systems, etc, the
parts are not readily available, etc. Newer engine designs and fuel
injection helped immensely to simplify the emissions equipment.

Attaching a photo of two of the old cars that I still can maintain. ;-)
[image: PXL_20251220_234227522.jpg]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 10:16?PM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> On 1/20/26 12:40 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm an American truck guy, and I don't think I'm ever buying a vehicle
> > newer than 2015.  8>0
> >
> > Moose
> anage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mark at bradakis.com
> >
>
> I recently bought a 2010 Jaguar XK.  Fun to drive, lovely car.  But
> there is way to much computer stuff in it for my tastes.  I still don't
> know if it has an actual dipstick, you check the oil through the dash
> display.  It is one car I will probably almost always take to the dealer
> for everything, it is not DIY friendly.  But it is the fastest vehicle I
> have ever owned!
>
> mjb.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Wed Jan 21 07:00:17 2026
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2026 09:00:17 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Let's run right out a get a Porsche
In-Reply-To: <f95d5788-d377-4eb7-8ef1-2f911ddf617b@snet.net>
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How do you like the 3? I am car shopping after my boat (CX-5) was totalled. I had a CX-30 turbo as a loner a few years back and loved it, but test drove a '22 yesterday and it was not as I remembered. The Golf GTI I really want is super rare and I can't afford to wait. The normal 3 has way too many blind spots for me, but I might give in if the NA manual is fun enough. In Europe they get the manual with the turbo in the CX-30. All my dream cars (and bikes) live over there :-(

the other jim

> On Jan 20, 2026, at 7:28 PM, Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:
> 
> Some approach technology better than others. We have a '24 Mazda 3 (because it's one of the few new cars that has a manual transmission) and it has not succumbed to the touch screen nonsense. There are switches and buttons to control most everything, although I'm sure they connect only to that big computer. It does have a touch screen for the navigation system (which you can also speak to) and audio systems, but remarkably, the touch function won't work if the car is in motion; you have to use a knob and pushbuttons on the console.
> 


From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Wed Jan 21 07:06:44 2026
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2026 09:06:44 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Let's run right out a get a Porsche
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> On Jan 21, 2026, at 8:05 AM, Douglas Shook <dirtbeard at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think Moose's 2015 "cut-off date" for purchasing a vehicle is sound.
> 
> Remember when exhaust systems on new cars would rust out in three years (in Northern climates), starters and alternators would need to be replaced by 50K miles, water pumps, hoses and radiators would be fortunate to last 70K miles, brakes would need to be relined every 20K miles, etc.? Spark plugs, wires, caps, rotors, etc, were regular maintenance items? When cars would be high performance if they had over 250HP, and average gas mileage was in the teens?

Agreed - my '04 WRX went almost 200k with needing only one easy to reach sensor. 

> 
> I have never leased a car before, but I almost think that now it may make sense to do so if you want to drive a new car. Buying a new car and keeping it for ten or 15 years does not sound like a good option anymore. I just cannot imagine what one of the new cars will be like to own once all of the electronics start to age and fail, or what equipment one would need to try to even diagnose the faults, let alone get to the defective part if it still is even available.

I'm looking at CX-30s, and they had a head cracking issue around 2020. The fix was to replace the engine, since getting to the head was a multi-day job even for the dealer. I hadn't considered leasing but as I near retirement it seems like a more and more viable option. Everything else is going subscription model, why not cars?

> Attaching a photo of two of the old cars that I still can maintain. ;-) 

I wish you hadn't done that :-)   I bought a house with no garage with the intention of building one but I live in MA and this year it decided to finally have a real winter. The ground froze a week after I closed and there's no sign of a thaw. 

jim

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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Wed Jan 21 15:36:58 2026
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2026 17:36:58 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Let's run right out a get a Porsche
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We are very pleased with the new Mazda 3. The downside is that the 
manual transmission only comes with the premium trim version of the car 
in its 5-door iteration. The body style is okay because my wife prefers 
that anyway. In another oddity, there are limited color choices, but 
again, we got a combination we like, a black car with red leather interior.

This is the fourth Mazda 3 we have had, the last one being a 2014 5-door 
that we retired after 100,000 miles. Same deal, had to be a premium trim 
level, with some features we wouldn't have picked if given a choice, but 
they are nice to have.

The car is responsive and enjoyable to drive. No turbo, and I see no 
need for it. The naturally aspirated car has a 13:1 compression ratio 
with effective valve timing adjustment, I think, what they call "Sky 
Active". The transmission is very smooth, gearing well spaced, and the 
suspension is firm but compliant. Mazda recently ended the independent 
rear suspension in favor of something called a torsion beam, but we 
don't notice any difference from the former model. This newest version 
has more sound proofing so it's quieter inside, so some of that visceral 
feel is diminished, but it's still nice. One small complaint is that the 
steering has less feedback than the 2014 did, but it's not significant.

We were able to shut off the worst of the nanny controls, like automatic 
braking and attempts to prevent you from changing lanes.

There are blind spots to be sure, but the radar warns you of cars in the 
space near the rear quarters of the car. The 2014 had that, too.

Jim


On 1/21/2026 9:00 AM, Jim Franklin wrote:
> How do you like the 3? I am car shopping after my boat (CX-5) was totalled. I had a CX-30 turbo as a loner a few years back and loved it, but test drove a '22 yesterday and it was not as I remembered. The Golf GTI I really want is super rare and I can't afford to wait. The normal 3 has way too many blind spots for me, but I might give in if the NA manual is fun enough. In Europe they get the manual with the turbo in the CX-30. All my dream cars (and bikes) live over there :-(
>
> the other jim
>
>> On Jan 20, 2026, at 7:28 PM, Jim Juhas<james.f.juhas at snet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Some approach technology better than others. We have a '24 Mazda 3 (because it's one of the few new cars that has a manual transmission) and it has not succumbed to the touch screen nonsense. There are switches and buttons to control most everything, although I'm sure they connect only to that big computer. It does have a touch screen for the navigation system (which you can also speak to) and audio systems, but remarkably, the touch function won't work if the car is in motion; you have to use a knob and pushbuttons on the console.
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From eric at megageek.com  Fri Jan 23 13:30:00 2026
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 15:30:00 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Vs Oil Vs Propane
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Hey everyone,
Quick question for the hive mind. I?m looking at whether it makes sense to 
switch to natural gas or just stick with propane and oil.  I have 2 
properties that now have natural gas available.  One is using oil heat and 
the other is using propane.
If you?ve made the switch (or decided not to), I?d love to hear:
Pros/cons you?ve seen
Cost differences over time
Any regrets or ?wish I knew this first? advice
I'm just gathering some real-world input. Appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks
Moose
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Fri Jan 23 13:56:09 2026
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 15:56:09 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Vs Oil Vs Propane
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The big issue for me here in MA is the delivery charge for NG is greater than the cost of the gas itself. My Dec bill for a poorly insulated 816sf house was $637. However, you won't run out of NG. 

I will go all electric ASAP, because I'm on municipal electric, cheapest in the state. Plus there are rebates, but they aren't close to what I'd save DIYing it. Might be worth investogating that?

jim

> On Jan 23, 2026, at 3:30 PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, 
> Quick question for the hive mind. I?m looking at whether it makes sense to switch to natural gas or just stick with propane and oil.  I have 2 properties that now have natural gas available.  One is using oil heat and the other is using propane. 
> If you?ve made the switch (or decided not to), I?d love to hear:
> Pros/cons you?ve seen
> Cost differences over time
> Any regrets or ?wish I knew this first? advice
> I'm just gathering some real-world input. Appreciate any thoughts. 
> 
> Thanks 
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From patintexas at icloud.com  Fri Jan 23 20:55:15 2026
From: patintexas at icloud.com (Pat Horne)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 21:55:15 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Vs Oil Vs Propane
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Following, even though I only have propane & electric as options. Moose, would you mind if electric was added to your list please? 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jan 23, 2026, at 2:43?PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:

?Hey everyone,
Quick question for the hive mind. I?m looking at whether it makes sense to switch to natural gas or just stick with propane and oil.  I have 2 properties that now have natural gas available.  One is using oil heat and the other is using propane.
If you?ve made the switch (or decided not to), I?d love to hear:
Pros/cons you?ve seen
Cost differences over time
Any regrets or ?wish I knew this first? advice
I'm just gathering some real-world input. Appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks
Moose _______________________________________________

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From eric at megageek.com  Sat Jan 24 03:53:24 2026
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2026 05:53:24 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Vs Oil Vs Propane
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Actually, both house have electric 'supplemental' heat. I was always told 
that electric heat is the most expensive heat per BTU.





From:   Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com>
To:     eric at megageek.com
Cc:     Shop-talk at autox.team.net
Date:   01/23/2026 22:55
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Gas Vs Oil Vs Propane



Following, even though I only have propane & electric as options. Moose, 
would you mind if electric was added to your list please? 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jan 23, 2026, at 2:43?PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:

?Hey everyone, 
Quick question for the hive mind. I?m looking at whether it makes sense to 
switch to natural gas or just stick with propane and oil.  I have 2 
properties that now have natural gas available.  One is using oil heat and 
the other is using propane. 
If you?ve made the switch (or decided not to), I?d love to hear: 
Pros/cons you?ve seen 
Cost differences over time 
Any regrets or ?wish I knew this first? advice
I'm just gathering some real-world input. Appreciate any thoughts. 

Thanks 
Moose _______________________________________________

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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Sat Jan 24 04:14:39 2026
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2026 06:14:39 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Gas Vs Oil Vs Propane
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Mostly true, yes. But it costs a lot less to move heat (heat pump) than to make it (resistance heat). However, a heat pump (an AC unit that works in both directions, basically) is much more expensive up front, and requires an HVAC tech to install. However, it also provides AC, and Mr. Cool brand comes with pre-charged lines so no HVAC tech needed. It is the next future, and lots of municipalities have rebates. However, the rebates require professional installation, which costs much more than the rebate usually. 

As you can see, it's not simple. :-)   There are web sites where you can input your costs of different energy sources and it will calculate the numbers so you can do a comparison. They are kind of blunt but the better the input, the better the output. 

jim

> On Jan 24, 2026, at 5:53 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> 
> Actually, both house have electric 'supplemental' heat. I was always told that electric heat is the most expensive heat per BTU. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:        Pat Horne <patintexas at icloud.com> 
> To:        eric at megageek.com 
> Cc:        Shop-talk at autox.team.net 
> Date:        01/23/2026 22:55 
> Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Gas Vs Oil Vs Propane 
> 
> 
> 
> Following, even though I only have propane & electric as options. Moose, would you mind if electric was added to your list please? 
> 
> Peace, Pat 
> 
> Pat Horne 
> We support Habitat for Humanity 
> 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2026, at 2:43?PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> 
> ?Hey everyone, 
> Quick question for the hive mind. I?m looking at whether it makes sense to switch to natural gas or just stick with propane and oil.  I have 2 properties that now have natural gas available.  One is using oil heat and the other is using propane. 
> If you?ve made the switch (or decided not to), I?d love to hear:
> Pros/cons you?ve seen
> Cost differences over time
> Any regrets or ?wish I knew this first? advice
> I'm just gathering some real-world input. Appreciate any thoughts. 
> 
> Thanks 
> Moose _______________________________________________
> 
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From eric at megageek.com  Wed Jan 28 09:48:07 2026
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 11:48:07 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Plowing
Message-ID: <OF21C06EBA.383504C2-ON85258D8D.005C1BE3-85258D8D.005C5008@mail.megageek.com>

I don't know how many of you may plow (I hate any of you that live in year 
round warn areas 8>P  )

I have a question about it.  If I have a dualie truck with 3 rail chains 
on the rear tires.  Would it make sense to plow in 2 wheel drive instead 
of 4 wheel drive?  Or does it not make a difference?

Just wondering.

Thanks.

Moose
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 13:10:00 2026
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 14:10:00 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] Plowing
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Interesting question.  I have only plowed with a single wheel truck so
can't say that my experience is 100% relevant, but here is what I have
learned.  When in 2 wheel drive I seem to have more issues with the plow
"biting" and trying to drag the front of the truck off to the side of the
road.  This usually only happens when I have the plow angled all the way
left or right.  I have only ever used straight blades, so this might not be
as much of an issue with a V-Plow.  I also don't get nearly enough traction
out of the rear axle on my single wheel truck, even with over 750 pounds of
ballast in the bed.  But I can see the benefit of being in 2 wheel drive as
turning in tight places on pavement with the plow can be a real pain in the
rear with the front axle engaged.  I'd say try it and see if it works.  It
would be less stress on your transfer case and front diff.  If you are
getting enough from the rear, it might work.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 10:58?AM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

> I don't know how many of you may plow (I hate any of you that live in year
> round warn areas 8>P  )
>
> I have a question about it.  If I have a dualie truck with 3 rail chains
> on the rear tires.  Would it make sense to plow in 2 wheel drive instead of
> 4 wheel drive?  Or does it not make a difference?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Thanks.
>
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 14:58:49 2026
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 16:58:49 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Plowing
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 11:57?AM <eric at megageek.com> wrote:

>  (I hate any of you that live in year round warn areas 8>P  )


I live in a pretty mild climate  (NE Georgia).  Last Saturday, we got about
3/4" accumulation of sleet/freezing rain.   This coming Saturday, we are
expected to get 1" to 3" of actual snow.

Can I mount a plow on a Ford Maverick?

Jeff the S
Frostproof, Georgia
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From mbarre at juno.com  Thu Jan 29 18:08:32 2026
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 01:08:32 GMT
Subject: [Shop-talk] Plowing
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Sure you can!


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From mbarre at juno.com  Thu Jan 29 18:43:16 2026
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 01:43:16 GMT
Subject: [Shop-talk] Plowing
Message-ID: <20260129.204316.24733.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

I taught my wife (then girlfriend) how to drive in my grandmother's Maverick with 3 on the tree back in 1980! I realize you were probably speaking of the newer iteration of the Mav but couldn't resist.  
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Sure you can!
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From watsonm05 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 29 19:47:50 2026
From: watsonm05 at comcast.net (watsonm05 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 02:47:50 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] Plowing
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Using an "original" Maverick to plow - MIND BLOWN!!!  I had two Mavericks over the years, a 1971 and then a 1970.  Unfortunately  they had to go . . .
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Sure you can!


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jan 30 04:50:53 2026
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 11:50:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] Plowing
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From eric at megageek.com  Fri Jan 30 06:51:09 2026
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 08:51:09 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
Message-ID: <OF18D6AFAF.B7505E84-ON85258D8F.004AB7F3-85258D8F.004C1859@mail.megageek.com>

OK, it seems to be happening more and more these days.  I replace a tire 
pressure sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS 
programmers don't seem to work on these after market sensors (they still 
can program all the OEM sensors.)

I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and they 
say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them about 
'isn't supported."  (Note, I have 3 different ones.)  To make it worse, 
they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to ask them and they 
can answer yes or no.

Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they 
aren't up to date.

So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do 
most sensors?

Thanks in advance.

Moose
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From dirtbeard at live.com  Fri Jan 30 07:24:17 2026
From: dirtbeard at live.com (Old Dirtbeard)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:24:17 +0000
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
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Same problems here, Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a result. Not a good response, I know...

best,

doug

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM
To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors

OK, it seems to be happening more and more these days.  I replace a tire pressure sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS programmers don't seem to work on these after market sensors (they still can program all the OEM sensors.)

I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and they say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them about 'isn't supported."  (Note, I have 3 different ones.)  To make it worse, they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to ask them and they can answer yes or no.

Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they aren't up to date.

So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do most sensors?

Thanks in advance.

Moose
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From ronnie.day at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 08:52:53 2026
From: ronnie.day at gmail.com (Ronnie Day)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 09:52:53 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
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IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as replacing them, unless
one is leaking. I've been quoted around $120/each to replace them. That
said, I'll offer good odds that pretty much everybody in this group keeps
an eye on tire pressure. As a rule of thumb tire pressure varies around 2
PSI with a 10 degree change in ambient temperature.

I have my tires balanced and rotated every 5K and that's worked out well.
Getting ready to replace the tires on our 2015 Odyssey, which seems like it
eats tires. Can't remember what I paid for the last set (Yokohama YK-CTX)
at that time, nor do I remember the mileage on the van when I bought them,
but I can find out. Discount has them for $202, plus the usual add-ons.
Discount also has the Michelin Defender 2 with a considerably longer
service life, for $211 through February, so I plan to buy those this time
around.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:36?AM Old Dirtbeard <dirtbeard at live.com> wrote:

> Same problems here, Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a
> result. Not a good response, I know...
>
> best,
>
> doug
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of
> eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM
> *To:* Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
>
> OK, it seems to be happening more and more these days.  I replace a tire
> pressure sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS
> programmers don't seem to work on these after market sensors (they still
> can program all the OEM sensors.)
>
> I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and they
> say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them about
> 'isn't supported."  (Note, I have 3 different ones.)  To make it worse,
> they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to ask them and they
> can answer yes or no.
>
> Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they
> aren't up to date.
>
> So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do
> most sensors?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Moose
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From eric at megageek.com  Fri Jan 30 09:04:09 2026
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 11:04:09 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
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Most of the time, I'm doing it for a friend.  Since I have the tire mount 
and balancer, it's just the cost of the TPS (about $50 or less.)

I just want to be able to finish the job however. 8>0



From:   Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com>
To:     Old Dirtbeard <dirtbeard at live.com>
Cc:     "eric at megageek.com" <eric at megageek.com>, 
"Shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:   01/30/2026 10:53
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors



IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as replacing them, unless 
one is leaking. I've been quoted around $120/each to replace them. That 
said, I'll offer good odds that pretty much everybody in this group keeps 
an eye on tire pressure. As a rule of thumb tire pressure varies around 2 
PSI with a 10 degree change in ambient temperature.

I have my tires balanced and rotated every 5K and that's worked out well. 
Getting ready to replace the tires on our 2015 Odyssey, which seems like 
it eats tires. Can't remember what I paid for the last set (Yokohama 
YK-CTX) at that time, nor do I remember the mileage on the van when I 
bought them, but I can find out. Discount has them for $202, plus the 
usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin Defender 2 with a 
considerably longer service life, for $211 through February, so I plan to 
buy those this time around.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:36?AM Old Dirtbeard <dirtbeard at live.com> wrote:
Same problems here, Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a 
result. Not a good response, I know...

best,
doug

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of 
eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM
To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors 
 
OK, it seems to be happening more and more these days.  I replace a tire 
pressure sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS 
programmers don't seem to work on these after market sensors (they still 
can program all the OEM sensors.) 

I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and they 
say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them about 
'isn't supported."  (Note, I have 3 different ones.)  To make it worse, 
they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to ask them and they 
can answer yes or no. 

Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they 
aren't up to date. 

So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do 
most sensors? 

Thanks in advance. 

Moose 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 11:13:20 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
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From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Fri Jan 30 11:19:23 2026
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 13:19:23 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
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I use an Autel TS508. The current version is WiFi capable for updates. 
Mine is an earlier model that requires a USB connection for updates. I 
bought it just over a year ago via Ebay. Autel packages replacement 
sensors with a tool as part of a package. I bought mine from a large 
tire dealer that I believe had a number of these tools to sell at a 
discount because they purchased a lot of the kits. I saw that there are 
some priced on Ebay now for about $25.

It seems to be universal. I needed it to properly program the sensors in 
the winter wheels for our Mazda 3. Even though I am not the original 
purchaser of the programmer, I have been able to easily get all the 
updates for the newest cars. My experience with it so far is on Mazda, 
Ford and GM cars.

One of my favorite features is that it can trigger the sensor and give a 
reading of the tire pressure and temperature of any wheel. I like this 
so much that I am considering installing TPMS sensors in the race car 
wheels for quick and accurate pressure checks at the track.

It also connects to the OBDII system to diagnose other stuff, reset 
warning lights, and such.

I also have a tire machine and a balancer primarily for my race car use, 
and of course for all my other cars, and I have become the family go-to 
person for tire work.

Jim


On 1/30/2026 11:04 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> Most of the time, I'm doing it for a friend. ?Since I have the tire 
> mount and balancer, it's just the cost of the TPS (about $50 or less.)
>
> I just want to be able to finish the job however. 8>0
>
>
>
> From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com>
> To: Old Dirtbeard <dirtbeard at live.com>
> Cc: "eric at megageek.com" <eric at megageek.com>, 
> "Shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> Date: 01/30/2026 10:53
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as?replacing them, 
> unless one is leaking. I've been quoted around $120/each to replace 
> them. That said, I'll offer good odds that pretty much everybody in 
> this group keeps an eye on tire pressure. As a rule of thumb tire 
> pressure varies around?2 PSI with a 10 degree change in 
> ambient?temperature.
>
> I have my tires balanced and rotated every 5K and that's worked out 
> well. Getting ready to replace the tires on our 2015 Odyssey, which 
> seems like it eats tires. Can't remember what I paid for the last set 
> (Yokohama YK-CTX) at that time, nor do I remember the mileage?on the 
> van when I bought them, but I can find out. Discount has them for 
> $202, plus the usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin Defender 
> 2 with a considerably?longer service life, for $211 through February, 
> so I plan to buy those this time around.
>
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:36?AM Old Dirtbeard <_dirtbeard at live.com_ 
> <mailto:dirtbeard at live.com>> wrote:
> Same problems here, Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a 
> result. Not a good response, I know...
>
> best,
>
> doug
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <_shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net_ 
> <mailto:shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of 
> _eric at megageek.com_ <mailto:eric at megageek.com><_eric at megageek.com_ 
> <mailto:eric at megageek.com>>*
> Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM*
> To:* _Shop-talk at autox.team.net_ 
> <mailto:Shop-talk at autox.team.net><_Shop-talk at autox.team.net_ 
> <mailto:Shop-talk at autox.team.net>>*
> Subject:* [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
>
> OK, it seems to be happening more and more these days.? I replace a 
> tire pressure sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, 
> my TPS programmers don't seem to work on these after market sensors 
> (they still can program all the OEM sensors.)
>
> I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and 
> they say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked 
> them about 'isn't supported." ?(Note, I have 3 different ones.) ?To 
> make it worse, they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to 
> ask them and they can answer yes or no.
>
> Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they 
> aren't up to date.
>
> So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should 
> do most sensors?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Moose
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From eric at megageek.com  Fri Jan 30 12:00:55 2026
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
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Jim,

I actually just purchased the newer version of this tool (the one with 
WIFI.)

I should be getting it on moday. Then I have to get together with my buddy 
again (he lives over an hour away.) and test it.

I'll let the group know what I find out.

Thanks again

Moose



From:   Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas at snet.net>
To:     shop-talk at autox.team.net
Date:   01/30/2026 13:24
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>



I use an Autel TS508. The current version is WiFi capable for updates. 
Mine is an earlier model that requires a USB connection for updates. I 
bought it just over a year ago via Ebay. Autel packages replacement 
sensors with a tool as part of a package. I bought mine from a large tire 
dealer that I believe had a number of these tools to sell at a discount 
because they purchased a lot of the kits. I saw that there are some priced 
on Ebay now for about $25.

It seems to be universal. I needed it to properly program the sensors in 
the winter wheels for our Mazda 3. Even though I am not the original 
purchaser of the programmer, I have been able to easily get all the 
updates for the newest cars. My experience with it so far is on Mazda, 
Ford and GM cars.

One of my favorite features is that it can trigger the sensor and give a 
reading of the tire pressure and temperature of any wheel. I like this so 
much that I am considering installing TPMS sensors in the race car wheels 
for quick and accurate pressure checks at the track. 

It also connects to the OBDII system to diagnose other stuff, reset 
warning lights, and such. 

I also have a tire machine and a balancer primarily for my race car use, 
and of course for all my other cars, and I have become the family go-to 
person for tire work.

Jim  



On 1/30/2026 11:04 AM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
Most of the time, I'm doing it for a friend.  Since I have the tire mount 
and balancer, it's just the cost of the TPS (about $50 or less.) 

I just want to be able to finish the job however. 8>0 



From:        Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com> 
To:        Old Dirtbeard <dirtbeard at live.com> 
Cc:        "eric at megageek.com" <eric at megageek.com>, 
"Shop-talk at autox.team.net" <Shop-talk at autox.team.net> 
Date:        01/30/2026 10:53 
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors 



IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as replacing them, unless 
one is leaking. I've been quoted around $120/each to replace them. That 
said, I'll offer good odds that pretty much everybody in this group keeps 
an eye on tire pressure. As a rule of thumb tire pressure varies around 2 
PSI with a 10 degree change in ambient temperature. 

I have my tires balanced and rotated every 5K and that's worked out well. 
Getting ready to replace the tires on our 2015 Odyssey, which seems like 
it eats tires. Can't remember what I paid for the last set (Yokohama 
YK-CTX) at that time, nor do I remember the mileage on the van when I 
bought them, but I can find out. Discount has them for $202, plus the 
usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin Defender 2 with a 
considerably longer service life, for $211 through February, so I plan to 
buy those this time around. 

On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:36?AM Old Dirtbeard <dirtbeard at live.com> wrote: 

Same problems here, Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a 
result. Not a good response, I know... 

best, 
doug


From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of 
eric at megageek.com <eric at megageek.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM
To: Shop-talk at autox.team.net <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors 
  
OK, it seems to be happening more and more these days.  I replace a tire 
pressure sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS 
programmers don't seem to work on these after market sensors (they still 
can program all the OEM sensors.) 

I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and they 
say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them about 
'isn't supported."  (Note, I have 3 different ones.)  To make it worse, 
they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to ask them and they 
can answer yes or no. 

Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they 
aren't up to date. 

So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do 
most sensors? 

Thanks in advance. 

Moose 
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From jblair1948 at cox.net  Fri Jan 30 13:31:49 2026
From: jblair1948 at cox.net (John T Blair)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 20:31:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
In-Reply-To: <CAMHhs6f_6SXTXj3wjUM4YgJXbA5ghdT394VeFaMQvY4Db6RxuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF18D6AFAF.B7505E84-ON85258D8F.004AB7F3-85258D8F.004C1859@mail.megageek.com>
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   On Friday, January 30, 2026 at 11:02:56 AM EST, Ronnie Day <ronnie.day at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 >IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as?replacing them, .....
>Can't remember what I paid for the last set (Yokohama YK-CTX) at that time, nor do I?>remember the mileage?on the van when I bought them, but I can find out. Discount has?>them for $202, plus the usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin Defender 2 with a?>considerably?longer service life, for $211 through February, so I plan to buy those this time?>around.
To that end an as not to repeat the same repeat of a maintenance item, I keep a small spiral note book in my glove compartment.? Starting at the front, I put in the date, odometer milage, # gal of gas to fill, total cost and then calculate the mpg for each time I fill the tank.
Then starting at the back of the book, I put in any maintenance item, like replacing the battery, serpentine belt, or brake jobs, sparkplugs, oil changes, tire rotations, timing belts, etc.? Basically any maintenance item that either I do or I have done.? I put in the date, milage what was done, and if I feel like I got a good deal or screwed the price.
Simple.
JohnT,
John T. Blair? WA4OHZ???? email:? jblair1948 at cox.netVa. Beach, Va????????????????? Phone:? (757) 495-8229

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???? 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)??? 77 Spitfire??? 71 Saab Sonett III
?????????????????????? 65 Rambler Classic

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???? e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
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From miq at bigllama.com  Fri Jan 30 16:06:58 2026
From: miq at bigllama.com (MIQ MILLMAN)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 15:06:58 -0800
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
In-Reply-To: <402172686.3680697.1769805109544@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <OF18D6AFAF.B7505E84-ON85258D8F.004AB7F3-85258D8F.004C1859@mail.megageek.com>
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Make sure you keep the fish guts out of the TPS reports.  Lumbergh won't
like it one bit.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 1:50?PM John T Blair <jblair1948 at cox.net> wrote:

> On Friday, January 30, 2026 at 11:02:56 AM EST, Ronnie Day <
> ronnie.day at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as replacing them, .....
>
> >Can't remember what I paid for the last set (Yokohama YK-CTX) at that
> time, nor do I
> >remember the mileage on the van when I bought them, but I can find out.
> Discount has
> >them for $202, plus the usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin
> Defender 2 with a
> >considerably longer service life, for $211 through February, so I plan to
> buy those this time
> >around.
>
> To that end an as not to repeat the same repeat of a maintenance item, I
> keep a small spiral note book in my glove compartment.  Starting at the
> front, I put in the date, odometer milage, # gal of gas to fill, total cost
> and then calculate the mpg for each time I fill the tank.
>
> Then starting at the back of the book, I put in any maintenance item, like
> replacing the battery, serpentine belt, or brake jobs, sparkplugs, oil
> changes, tire rotations, timing belts, etc.  Basically any maintenance item
> that either I do or I have done.  I put in the date, milage what was done,
> and if I feel like I got a good deal or screwed the price.
>
> Simple.
>
> JohnT,
>
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948 at cox.net
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>
> 48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                        65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
>
> <http://autox.team.net/morgan/>Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
>
>
> If you can read this                - Thank a teacher!
> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
>
> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
>      e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
>      In God We Trust
>      Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
>                   oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 16:24:48 2026
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 18:24:48 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Trailer Hitch Plows
In-Reply-To: <20260129.204316.24733.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20260129.204316.24733.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <02DA36EB-CBA6-4BA9-B193-F939E58BCDF9@gmail.com>

Since it appears that Moose?s original question has been answered, I have a slightly different question to ask.  An ad for this trailer hitch plow popped up on my wife?s Instagram feed during last week?s storm: https://shop.agricover.com/product/snowsport180. It was intriguing enough that I did a little more digging and there are other brands out there.  For example: https://heavyhitch.com/product/back-plow-blade-with-54-snow-plow-blade/?attribute_pa_color=red-2&attribute_blade-choice=54%22+Heavy+Duty&tm=tt&ap=gads&aaid=adapb1XEOTtCD&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17338979455&gbraid=0AAAAAD2YpIQ1ryevV51kdERo7cnGu9Qv-

Does anyone here know anything about these?  After spending the last week digging out from the foot of snow that we got on Sunday, the idea of being able to pull my Ridgeline all the way forward in my driveway and just back up to clear a path is very inviting.

Thanks,
Jim
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From eric at megageek.com  Fri Jan 30 18:47:53 2026
From: eric at megageek.com (eric at megageek.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 20:47:53 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Trailer Hitch Plows
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References: <20260129.204316.24733.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>
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Message-ID: <OFF1C7414C.5373E0BF-ON85258D90.000822D7-85258D90.0009E0B7@mail.megageek.com>

I don't have any experience with these plows for snow, but I do use 
something similar behind my tractor for dirt grading.

I've been snow plowing for the past 30 years (not professionally, but I do 
it for a bunch of people) and I couldn't see how these would work that 
well.  I mean, how does it lift or lower on to the ground?  Also, do you 
see the note about it "not designed for use with automobiles"?

Plowing requires good visibility when you have to get close to buildings, 
walks, fences, etc. so rear mounted in car would be a challenge.

I did have a snow bear plow a long time ago...
https://realtruck.com/p/snowbear-home-series-snow-plows

These are light duty, fairly cheap (considering) plows that work on 
lighter duty trucks.  I even used it on a Ford explorer for a little bit. 
I used it for a few years before upgrading to a  real plow, but it did the 
job, with minium installation on the truck. Basically a plate on the frame 
and a wire to the battery.  (The controller ran in your window like an old 
time drive-in movie speaker.)
I would go this route before trying to save the money to find something 
that isn't going to do the job.

NOTE-  There is lots of 'nuance' to plowing.  What type of snow fall, how 
often you want to plow each event, what the area you are plowing looks 
like (i.e. hills, curves, places to mound the snow up, heck , even how 
much sun can hit the driveway) really play into plowing.  Of course the 
gravel, pavement, or pavers make a HUGE difference as well.  So what works 
in one area for someone might not work for others. 

I currently have a stable of 4 plows and a 'killdozer' snow blower*.  The 
plows range from an 8' plow on a ford 350 dualie with a dump bed, to one 
on a jeep TJ, to one one a enclosed zero turn, and one on an ATV. 
Throughout the winter, different ones work better than others depending on 
the snow type.

Wow, this turned into a ramble.

In the end, I think you'll find other options much better that the back 
plow blade.


*- here it what I mean. It's a hoot to drive. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8WGm5EINjY


Moose




From:   Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com>
To:     Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Date:   01/30/2026 20:08
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Trailer Hitch Plows
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>



Since it appears that Moose?s original question has been answered, I have 
a slightly different question to ask.  An ad for this trailer hitch plow 
popped up on my wife?s Instagram feed during last week?s storm: 
https://shop.agricover.com/product/snowsport180. It was intriguing enough 
that I did a little more digging and there are other brands out there. For 
example: 
https://heavyhitch.com/product/back-plow-blade-with-54-snow-plow-blade/?attribute_pa_color=red-2&attribute_blade-choice=54%22+Heavy+Duty&tm=tt&ap=gads&aaid=adapb1XEOTtCD&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17338979455&gbraid=0AAAAAD2YpIQ1ryevV51kdERo7cnGu9Qv-

Does anyone here know anything about these?  After spending the last week 
digging out from the foot of snow that we got on Sunday, the idea of being 
able to pull my Ridgeline all the way forward in my driveway and just back 
up to clear a path is very inviting.

Thanks,
Jim_______________________________________________

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From 1789alpine at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 14:16:33 2026
From: 1789alpine at gmail.com (Jim Stone)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 16:16:33 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] Trailer Hitch Plows
In-Reply-To: <OFF1C7414C.5373E0BF-ON85258D90.000822D7-85258D90.0009E0B7@mail.megageek.com>
References: <20260129.204316.24733.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>
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Message-ID: <0EEAD34B-A136-456C-845C-DB7322535244@gmail.com>

Thanks, Moose.  I had confidence that someone here would have an educated opinion.  Given the amount of snow we get, I suspect my best bet would just be to replace my old single stage blower - which is pretty much worthless on our gravel driveway - with a decent two-stage one.  Unless you want to swing out to Eastern Long Island when you are out plowing your friends and family. :)

Jim

> On Jan 30, 2026, at 8:47?PM, eric at megageek.com wrote:
> 
> I don't have any experience with these plows for snow, but I do use something similar behind my tractor for dirt grading. 
> 
> I've been snow plowing for the past 30 years (not professionally, but I do it for a bunch of people) and I couldn't see how these would work that well.  I mean, how does it lift or lower on to the ground?  Also, do you see the note about it "not designed for use with automobiles"? 
> 
> Plowing requires good visibility when you have to get close to buildings, walks, fences, etc. so rear mounted in car would be a challenge. 
> 
> I did have a snow bear plow a long time ago... 
> https://realtruck.com/p/snowbear-home-series-snow-plows 
> 
> These are light duty, fairly cheap (considering) plows that work on lighter duty trucks.  I even used it on a Ford explorer for a little bit.  I used it for a few years before upgrading to a  real plow, but it did the job, with minium installation on the truck. Basically a plate on the frame and a wire to the battery.  (The controller ran in your window like an old time drive-in movie speaker.) 
> I would go this route before trying to save the money to find something that isn't going to do the job. 
> 
> NOTE-  There is lots of 'nuance' to plowing.  What type of snow fall, how often you want to plow each event, what the area you are plowing looks like (i.e. hills, curves, places to mound the snow up, heck , even how much sun can hit the driveway) really play into plowing.  Of course the gravel, pavement, or pavers make a HUGE difference as well.  So what works in one area for someone might not work for others.   
> 
> I currently have a stable of 4 plows and a 'killdozer' snow blower*.  The plows range from an 8' plow on a ford 350 dualie with a dump bed, to one on a jeep TJ, to one one a enclosed zero turn, and one on an ATV.  Throughout the winter, different ones work better than others depending on the snow type. 
> 
> Wow, this turned into a ramble. 
> 
> In the end, I think you'll find other options much better that the back plow blade. 
> 
> 
> *- here it what I mean. It's a hoot to drive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8WGm5EINjY 
> 
> 
> Moose 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:        Jim Stone <1789alpine at gmail.com> 
> To:        Shop Talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net> 
> Date:        01/30/2026 20:08 
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Trailer Hitch Plows 
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net>
> 
> 
> 
> Since it appears that Moose?s original question has been answered, I have a slightly different question to ask.  An ad for this trailer hitch plow popped up on my wife?s Instagram feed during last week?s storm: https://shop.agricover.com/product/snowsport180. It was intriguing enough that I did a little more digging and there are other brands out there.  For example: https://heavyhitch.com/product/back-plow-blade-with-54-snow-plow-blade/?attribute_pa_color=red-2&attribute_blade-choice=54%22+Heavy+Duty&tm=tt&ap=gads&aaid=adapb1XEOTtCD&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17338979455&gbraid=0AAAAAD2YpIQ1ryevV51kdERo7cnGu9Qv- 
> 
> Does anyone here know anything about these?  After spending the last week digging out from the foot of snow that we got on Sunday, the idea of being able to pull my Ridgeline all the way forward in my driveway and just back up to clear a path is very inviting. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Jim_______________________________________________
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan 31 21:11:47 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 21:11:47 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] JB Weld Fiberweld pipe repair?
Message-ID: <da934828-e3b9-44e5-8271-f3e336abc45c@bradakis.com>

Anyone have any experience with this stuff?  Have a small leak in a 
galvanized 1/2" supply pipe, looks like this would do nicely for a repair.

mjb.
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