From jniolon at att.net  Thu Sep 17 07:10:39 2026
From: jniolon at att.net (john niolon)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 08:10:39 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
References: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm.ref@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm@johns-desktop>

Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that will 
not sync and Netgear's solution is to
upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
 
anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
 
thanks
john
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 20:41:08 2026
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 19:41:08 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
In-Reply-To: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm@johns-desktop>
References: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm@johns-desktop>
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I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.

Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote
service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that
> will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
>
> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
>
> thanks
> john
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From scott.hall.personal at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 22:14:00 2026
From: scott.hall.personal at gmail.com (Scott Hall)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 23:14:00 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
In-Reply-To: <CADkpZwGsbT-YQrhP02pnc1kJkPts6BZ=w886RUOfMxb8_UNJXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm@johns-desktop>
 <CADkpZwGsbT-YQrhP02pnc1kJkPts6BZ=w886RUOfMxb8_UNJXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK73_u6Rs-AgC6sCq8E_r9b_WdqSjm-mzattOSaj=-OLHO3wsQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've got an Orbi system.

I don't have the sync issue, but after a few years of other problems all
the research I did says that the best solution is to return the Orbi system
to the store and but a different one.

Scott

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 11:11 PM Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.
>
> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote
> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?
>
> ________________
> Sent from my phone
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that
>> will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
>>
>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
>>
>> thanks
>> john
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>
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>
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 09:08:03 2026
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2026 08:08:03 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
In-Reply-To: <1UnIp70hoj.94oNNGj8d4C@johns-desktop>
References: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm@johns-desktop>
 <CADkpZwGsbT-YQrhP02pnc1kJkPts6BZ=w886RUOfMxb8_UNJXw@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting...

Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all the
issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work the
issue is likely localized.

Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?

Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything
happened to the system between when it worked and didn't?

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'. Maybe
> I used the wrong term.  The two satellite boxes should connect ( 'sync')
> with the router to give you a total mesh system.  One works fine ? the
> other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting.  Net gear
> says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck
> replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come up
> with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer
> service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you call"
>
> thanks
> john
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
> ------------------------------
> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.
>
> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote
> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?
>
> ________________
> Sent from my phone
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that
>> will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
>>
>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
>>
>> thanks
>> john
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>
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>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 19 20:45:57 2026
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2026 19:45:57 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
In-Reply-To: <1UnIqH16qO.1AZYdOKfW7D@johns-desktop>
References: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm@johns-desktop>
 <CADkpZwGsbT-YQrhP02pnc1kJkPts6BZ=w886RUOfMxb8_UNJXw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1UnIp70hoj.94oNNGj8d4C@johns-desktop>
 <CADkpZwHQU=hk77g-6b_fbx-2gVrfQY0mKjRf5BLP9awKgBYODA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADkpZwF4+vjv3ZZkGErO=Wo+G4xw4ni52qQZ0azQ9r-pwFu-eg@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, this is progress.

On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily plug
into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot.

If not, there is likely still some process to reset it.

If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from
another vendor that would connect wirelessly.

Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upside is
you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, but the
downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' to the base
station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and the client
devices like phones tablets TVs, etc.   As such, the speed and quality are
very poor. But if that's the only way to get the signal, it's better than
nothing. Often people find it's preferable to bite the bullet and run a
cable.

Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting.

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> both satellites connect to the modem wirelessly... one works perfectly...
> the other is dead... I even brought the dead one and sat it next
> to the modem and rebooted everything... the dead one still dead, the other
> is fine...  afaik nothing has changed in equipment or software
> unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn't know about BUT that should
> have killed both of them, right ??
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
> ------------------------------
> Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting...
>
> Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all
> the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work the
> issue is likely localized.
>
> Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?
>
> Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything
> happened to the system between when it worked and didn't?
>
> ________________
> Sent from my phone
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
>> This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'. Maybe
>> I used the wrong term.  The two satellite boxes should connect ( 'sync')
>> with the router to give you a total mesh system.  One works fine ? the
>> other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting.  Net gear
>> says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck
>> replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come up
>> with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer
>> service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you call"
>>
>> thanks
>> john
>>
>>
>> *----- Original Message -----*
>> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
>> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
>> ------------------------------
>> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.
>>
>> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote
>> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?
>>
>> ________________
>> Sent from my phone
>> Best Regards,
>> Al Fuller
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that
>>> will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
>>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
>>>
>>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> john
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
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>>>
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From tjcora at icloud.com  Sun Sep 20 14:32:44 2026
From: tjcora at icloud.com (Thomas Coradeschi)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2026 16:32:44 -0400
Subject: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
In-Reply-To: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm@johns-desktop>
References: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm.ref@johns-desktop>
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Message-ID: <8BE5D8B5-2D1F-469E-8BB8-11FF049CCB68@icloud.com>

John - just noticed this, so not sure if it?s still an issue or not.

I?m assuming that what you?re seeing is that when you plug your computer directly into the sat box (presumably via ethernet), you get connectivity, but when you plug the Orb hub in, it does not?

> On Sep 17, 2026, at 9:10 AM, john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
>  
> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
>  
> thanks
> john
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 18:23:44 2026
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2026 17:23:44 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
In-Reply-To: <1UnIrOlMTC.5IpV44pIN8D@johns-desktop>
References: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm@johns-desktop>
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 <1UnIp70hoj.94oNNGj8d4C@johns-desktop>
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Ok, no Ethernet jack on the remote mesh node, so no way to narrow it down
that way.

Next suggestion is to look up the procedures for (1) resetting it, and (2)
factory resetting it in case (1) didn't work.

You may be able to get it working again by resetting or factory resetting.

BTW, maybe I missed it but can you tell us whether anything was changed
before it quit working? Or anything happened, like electrical short nearby,
lightning storm, power outage, brownout, etc.

Last year I had security cameras that quit and it turned out a power surge
had killed 2 power supplies AND several individual cameras - so I'm
reminded to ask about the environment before it quit.


________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sun, Sep 20, 2026, 1:47?PM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> First Al, thanks for all your time and energy doing this... it might be
> all futile.
>
> The satellite unit has no Ethernet port.   The modem has both Ethernet and
> internet
> ports and the only one used is the internet port that plugs into the ATT
> fiber box.
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 9:45:57 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
> ------------------------------
> Ok, this is progress.
>
> On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily plug
> into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot.
>
> If not, there is likely still some process to reset it.
>
> If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from
> another vendor that would connect wirelessly.
>
> Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upside is
> you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, but the
> downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' to the base
> station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and the client
> devices like phones tablets TVs, etc.   As such, the speed and quality are
> very poor. But if that's the only way to get the signal, it's better than
> nothing. Often people find it's preferable to bite the bullet and run a
> cable.
>
> Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting.
>
> ________________
> Sent from my phone
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
>> both satellites connect to the modem wirelessly... one works perfectly...
>> the other is dead... I even brought the dead one and sat it next
>> to the modem and rebooted everything... the dead one still dead, the
>> other is fine...  afaik nothing has changed in equipment or software
>> unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn't know about BUT that should
>> have killed both of them, right ??
>>
>>
>> *----- Original Message -----*
>> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
>> ------------------------------
>> Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting...
>>
>> Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all
>> the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work the
>> issue is likely localized.
>>
>> Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?
>>
>> Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything
>> happened to the system between when it worked and didn't?
>>
>> ________________
>> Sent from my phone
>> Best Regards,
>> Al Fuller
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'.
>>> Maybe I used the wrong term.  The two satellite boxes should connect
>>> ( 'sync')
>>> with the router to give you a total mesh system.  One works fine ? the
>>> other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting.  Net gear
>>> says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck
>>> replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come up
>>> with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer
>>> service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you call"
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> john
>>>
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
>>> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>>> *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
>>> ------------------------------
>>> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.
>>>
>>> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote
>>> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?
>>>
>>> ________________
>>> Sent from my phone
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Al Fuller
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that
>>>> will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
>>>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
>>>>
>>>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> john
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
>>>> http://autox.team.net/archive
>>>>
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>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 20 23:30:03 2026
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 00:30:03 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] 93 Octane Gasoline along I-80 in western Wyoming and in
 Utah?
Message-ID: <CAE16_w2eC83k4w414rXyO-0hSSKWHJSCwjNXCmM8C5Ka7vhH0g@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for 93 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake City and not
finding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline along the way.





-- 
Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
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From jamesf at groupwbench.org  Mon Sep 21 06:43:17 2026
From: jamesf at groupwbench.org (Jim Franklin)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 14:43:17 +0200
Subject: [Shop-talk] 93 Octane Gasoline along I-80 in western Wyoming
 and in Utah?
In-Reply-To: <CAE16_w2eC83k4w414rXyO-0hSSKWHJSCwjNXCmM8C5Ka7vhH0g@mail.gmail.com>
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You won?t find it in higher elevations because the effective compression is lower in the thinner atmosphere. Surprised you don?t see any on the flats before the hills though.

Jim

> On Sep 21, 2026, at 07:43, Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Looking for 93 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake City and not finding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline along the way.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 07:34:36 2026
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 08:34:36 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] 93 Octane Gasoline along I-80 in western Wyoming
 and in Utah?
In-Reply-To: <D7699D3A-38F2-48A5-8357-61A4B551D52D@groupwbench.org>
References: <CAE16_w2eC83k4w414rXyO-0hSSKWHJSCwjNXCmM8C5Ka7vhH0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <D7699D3A-38F2-48A5-8357-61A4B551D52D@groupwbench.org>
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 7:43?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

> You won?t find it in higher elevations because the effective compression
> is lower in the thinner atmosphere. Surprised you don?t see any on the
> flats before the hills though.
>


What about all the turbocharged cars in mountain areas?


Jim
>
> On Sep 21, 2026, at 07:43, Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Looking for 93 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake City and not
> finding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline along the way.
>
>
>
>
>
>
<http://www.mnautox.com/>
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From dmscheidt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 14:52:53 2026
From: dmscheidt at gmail.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 15:52:53 -0500
Subject: [Shop-talk] 93 Octane Gasoline along I-80 in western Wyoming
 and in Utah?
In-Reply-To: <CAE16_w2eC83k4w414rXyO-0hSSKWHJSCwjNXCmM8C5Ka7vhH0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE16_w2eC83k4w414rXyO-0hSSKWHJSCwjNXCmM8C5Ka7vhH0g@mail.gmail.com>
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In much of the western US, 91 octane is as high as is readily
available.  Not sure why that is, but it meets the factory
requirements for 'Premium' in the vast majority of cases.  Of course,
if you've tuned for 93, that doesn't help much.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 12:42?AM Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looking for 93 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake City and not finding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline along the way.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Sep 21 20:08:28 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 20:08:28 -0600
Subject: [Shop-talk] 93 Octane Gasoline along I-80 in western Wyoming
 and in Utah?
In-Reply-To: <CAE16_w0swx7r33tYHoG47nZ7dZCSLHnO3BruAeFbuJKoX505oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE16_w2eC83k4w414rXyO-0hSSKWHJSCwjNXCmM8C5Ka7vhH0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <D7699D3A-38F2-48A5-8357-61A4B551D52D@groupwbench.org>
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Message-ID: <092f5b96-2509-4991-86d1-85a5b10957d5@bradakis.com>

If you are seriously so worried about the 2 point difference in octane, 
get a 12 pack of Rislone 4747 Octane Booster, and put that in your tank 
when you fill up.

mjb.


From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Sep 22 05:21:50 2026
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 11:21:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Shop-talk] 93 Octane Gasoline along I-80 in western Wyoming
 and in Utah?
In-Reply-To: <CAE16_w0swx7r33tYHoG47nZ7dZCSLHnO3BruAeFbuJKoX505oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE16_w2eC83k4w414rXyO-0hSSKWHJSCwjNXCmM8C5Ka7vhH0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <D7699D3A-38F2-48A5-8357-61A4B551D52D@groupwbench.org>
 <CAE16_w0swx7r33tYHoG47nZ7dZCSLHnO3BruAeFbuJKoX505oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1893443021.1939966.1790076110263@mail.yahoo.com>

First off, turbochargers limit boost to a certain PSI above ambient so less absolute pressure at higher altitudes.? Also, modern cars all have knock sensors which accommodates lower octane fuels by retarding ignition timing.? Hence no need for higher octane at higher altitudes.
Dave



On Monday, September 21, 2026 at 08:34:36 AM CDT, Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com> wrote:



On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 7:43?AM Jim Franklin <jamesf at groupwbench.org> wrote:

You won?t find it in higher elevations because the effective compression is lower in the thinner atmosphere. Surprised you don?t see any on the flats before the hills though.


What about all the turbocharged cars in mountain?areas???


Jim

On Sep 21, 2026, at 07:43, Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com> wrote:



?Looking for?93 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake City?and not finding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline along the way.








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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 21:24:10 2026
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2026 20:24:10 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
In-Reply-To: <1UnIudmOw1.A3NNWhkp5dO@johns-desktop>
References: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm.ref@johns-desktop>
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Glad to hear it's working! Happy to help.

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Wed, Sep 23, 2026, 10:50?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> well Al,    show you how dumb I am.....
> I did some extra reading and found a forum about how critical placement
> can be.  I( played around with modem and satellite placement
> and found a place where the two would connect... been two days and
> everything is still connected... although speed is not optimal.  You
> mentioned ORBIs
> problem with overhead traffic so I'm satisfied with shop performance for
> now
>
> I really appreciate your time and attention... trying to help an old tech
> challenged guy get connected.
>
> john
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 09/20/2026 7:23:44 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
> ------------------------------
> Ok, no Ethernet jack on the remote mesh node, so no way to narrow it down
> that way.
>
> Next suggestion is to look up the procedures for (1) resetting it, and (2)
> factory resetting it in case (1) didn't work.
>
> You may be able to get it working again by resetting or factory resetting.
>
> BTW, maybe I missed it but can you tell us whether anything was changed
> before it quit working? Or anything happened, like electrical short nearby,
> lightning storm, power outage, brownout, etc.
>
> Last year I had security cameras that quit and it turned out a power surge
> had killed 2 power supplies AND several individual cameras - so I'm
> reminded to ask about the environment before it quit.
>
>
> ________________
> Sent from my phone
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2026, 1:47?PM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
>> First Al, thanks for all your time and energy doing this... it might be
>> all futile.
>>
>> The satellite unit has no Ethernet port.   The modem has both Ethernet
>> and internet
>> ports and the only one used is the internet port that plugs into the ATT
>> fiber box.
>>
>>
>> *----- Original Message -----*
>> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 9:45:57 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
>> ------------------------------
>> Ok, this is progress.
>>
>> On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily plug
>> into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot.
>>
>> If not, there is likely still some process to reset it.
>>
>> If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from
>> another vendor that would connect wirelessly.
>>
>> Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upside
>> is you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, but the
>> downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' to the base
>> station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and the client
>> devices like phones tablets TVs, etc.   As such, the speed and quality are
>> very poor. But if that's the only way to get the signal, it's better than
>> nothing. Often people find it's preferable to bite the bullet and run a
>> cable.
>>
>> Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting.
>>
>> ________________
>> Sent from my phone
>> Best Regards,
>> Al Fuller
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> both satellites connect to the modem wirelessly... one works
>>> perfectly... the other is dead... I even brought the dead one and sat it
>>> next
>>> to the modem and rebooted everything... the dead one still dead, the
>>> other is fine...  afaik nothing has changed in equipment or software
>>> unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn't know about BUT that should
>>> have killed both of them, right ??
>>>
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>> >
>>> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting...
>>>
>>> Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all
>>> the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work the
>>> issue is likely localized.
>>>
>>> Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?
>>>
>>> Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything
>>> happened to the system between when it worked and didn't?
>>>
>>> ________________
>>> Sent from my phone
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Al Fuller
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'.
>>>> Maybe I used the wrong term.  The two satellite boxes should connect
>>>> ( 'sync')
>>>> with the router to give you a total mesh system.  One works fine ? the
>>>> other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting.  Net gear
>>>> says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck
>>>> replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come up
>>>> with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer
>>>> service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you call"
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> john
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>>> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
>>>> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>>>> *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote
>>>> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?
>>>>
>>>> ________________
>>>> Sent from my phone
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Al Fuller
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box
>>>>> that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
>>>>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
>>>>>
>>>>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> john
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 21:29:09 2026
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2026 20:29:09 -0700
Subject: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
In-Reply-To: <1UnIudmOw1.A3NNWhkp5dO@johns-desktop>
References: <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm.ref@johns-desktop>
 <1UnIo2kX9t.7bNvI9UP6bm@johns-desktop>
 <CADkpZwGsbT-YQrhP02pnc1kJkPts6BZ=w886RUOfMxb8_UNJXw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1UnIp70hoj.94oNNGj8d4C@johns-desktop>
 <CADkpZwHQU=hk77g-6b_fbx-2gVrfQY0mKjRf5BLP9awKgBYODA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1UnIudmOw1.A3NNWhkp5dO@johns-desktop>
Message-ID: <CADkpZwE5qF8OaF-pEr9vDaw1KoRQnBW1vBNvxgRj17x4hJeGJw@mail.gmail.com>

Also, you might still want to think about what might have changed to make
it drop off the network.

Top of my mind would be some combination of (1) the remote node was moved,
(2) the base station moved, or (3) something in between them moved and
blocked the signal. A microwave can do it too..

If you can figure it out it might help keep the system stable in the future.

Best of luck.

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Wed, Sep 23, 2026, 10:50?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:

> well Al,    show you how dumb I am.....
> I did some extra reading and found a forum about how critical placement
> can be.  I( played around with modem and satellite placement
> and found a place where the two would connect... been two days and
> everything is still connected... although speed is not optimal.  You
> mentioned ORBIs
> problem with overhead traffic so I'm satisfied with shop performance for
> now
>
> I really appreciate your time and attention... trying to help an old tech
> challenged guy get connected.
>
> john
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 09/20/2026 7:23:44 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
> ------------------------------
> Ok, no Ethernet jack on the remote mesh node, so no way to narrow it down
> that way.
>
> Next suggestion is to look up the procedures for (1) resetting it, and (2)
> factory resetting it in case (1) didn't work.
>
> You may be able to get it working again by resetting or factory resetting.
>
> BTW, maybe I missed it but can you tell us whether anything was changed
> before it quit working? Or anything happened, like electrical short nearby,
> lightning storm, power outage, brownout, etc.
>
> Last year I had security cameras that quit and it turned out a power surge
> had killed 2 power supplies AND several individual cameras - so I'm
> reminded to ask about the environment before it quit.
>
>
> ________________
> Sent from my phone
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2026, 1:47?PM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>
>> First Al, thanks for all your time and energy doing this... it might be
>> all futile.
>>
>> The satellite unit has no Ethernet port.   The modem has both Ethernet
>> and internet
>> ports and the only one used is the internet port that plugs into the ATT
>> fiber box.
>>
>>
>> *----- Original Message -----*
>> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 9:45:57 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
>> ------------------------------
>> Ok, this is progress.
>>
>> On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily plug
>> into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot.
>>
>> If not, there is likely still some process to reset it.
>>
>> If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from
>> another vendor that would connect wirelessly.
>>
>> Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upside
>> is you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, but the
>> downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' to the base
>> station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and the client
>> devices like phones tablets TVs, etc.   As such, the speed and quality are
>> very poor. But if that's the only way to get the signal, it's better than
>> nothing. Often people find it's preferable to bite the bullet and run a
>> cable.
>>
>> Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting.
>>
>> ________________
>> Sent from my phone
>> Best Regards,
>> Al Fuller
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> both satellites connect to the modem wirelessly... one works
>>> perfectly... the other is dead... I even brought the dead one and sat it
>>> next
>>> to the modem and rebooted everything... the dead one still dead, the
>>> other is fine...  afaik nothing has changed in equipment or software
>>> unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn't know about BUT that should
>>> have killed both of them, right ??
>>>
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>> >
>>> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting...
>>>
>>> Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all
>>> the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work the
>>> issue is likely localized.
>>>
>>> Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?
>>>
>>> Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything
>>> happened to the system between when it worked and didn't?
>>>
>>> ________________
>>> Sent from my phone
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Al Fuller
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'.
>>>> Maybe I used the wrong term.  The two satellite boxes should connect
>>>> ( 'sync')
>>>> with the router to give you a total mesh system.  One works fine ? the
>>>> other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting.  Net gear
>>>> says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck
>>>> replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come up
>>>> with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer
>>>> service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you call"
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> john
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>>> *From:* Al Fuller <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* john niolon <jniolon at att.net>
>>>> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
>>>> *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote
>>>> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?
>>>>
>>>> ________________
>>>> Sent from my phone
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Al Fuller
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17?AM john niolon <jniolon at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box
>>>>> that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
>>>>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
>>>>>
>>>>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> john
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Shop-talk at autox.team.net
>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
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>>>>>
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