[Shotimes] (OT) Spy pics of 2005 Mustang

Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:23:52 -0500

C'mon, Paul, this is a load of crap. How many dealership owners that you
know live in a trailer park and get food stamps? Owning a dealership is a
license to print money. Dealers make large dollars, and a lot of it are
incentives from the factory straight to the dealer that do not involve the
customer. When you buy most cars at "dealer invoice" they are still making
at least 5% or more on the vehicle.

The list price on factory parts is very high, dealers make a bundle on
parts. The factory doesn't, which is why they would just as soon be out of
the parts business.

Dealers make a bunch on warranty jobs, also. Yeah, they "occasionally" get
turned down for a warranty job, but they all know how the game is played, so
that is a rare occurrence.

Don't feel sorry for dealers, they make good money. The Big Three have been
kicking themselves in the ass for the last 60-70 years after giving away the
store to franchise dealers, and now they are locked out from opening factory
stores due to the franchise laws in just about every state.

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:59 PM
To: D Potter; SHOTimes
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT) Spy pics of 2005 Mustang

The dealers have to inflate their prices because they know they will get
screwed by Ford on book time, warranty payout and corporate mandated but
inadequately funded programs.....

Paul Nimz
'97 TR SHO
'93 EG mtx SHO

----- Original Message -----
From: "D Potter" <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>
To: "SHO GOS" <shogos@earthlink.net>; "SHOTimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT) Spy pics of 2005 Mustang

> It's not Ford that asks too much, it's the dealers.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "SHO GOS" <shogos@earthlink.net>
> To: "SHOTimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT) Spy pics of 2005 Mustang
>
>
> > It sounds like your friend is lacking in the skill of driving to tear up
> any
> > car. Maybe he should just park the car  at the beginning of this road
and
> > drive a tractor back to his house.
> >
> > As for the HUD, I'm interested in just the speed that I'm going, not the
> > Tach or of the other things that you can display in that box. You can
dim
> > the box and move it out of your line of sight or even shut it off. My
> point
> > is Ford is asking way too much for a stripped down car compared to other
> > things that are out there for the same amount of money.
> >
> > Look at our SHO's. Mine is a 95 and every month someone is posting a
> message
> > that Ford isn't carrying this part or that part, fuel pumps, the DIS is
> > here, then it's not, then it's back. Power steering pump is hard to get.
> > I've got 90K on my SHO. In three years will I have to junk it because I
> > can't find any major part that I need? Some of the other cars are not
like
> > that and you can get parts for them even if they are 10 - 18 years old.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "D Potter" <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>
> > To: "SHOTimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT) Spy pics of 2005 Mustang
> >
> >
> > > Well, the corvette I'm referring to is a 2000 or 2001 model, as the
> guy's
> > > had it for two years now. The only option he got was Chromed wheels. I
> > don't
> > > know about the radio or anything, but it does have the HUD, traction
> > control
> > > and adjustable handling. No removable top of any type.
> > >
> > > Sad thing is he lives down a really bad road. I warned him that he
might
> > > want to look at a Cobra for the extra ground clearance. He's ripped
> three
> > > separate panels off the car, one of them three times. The corvette is
> > > starting to make a lot of noises. The road is really stressing the
body.
> > > It's got mud on it everyday. What a waste of $42k. His insurance
refuses
> > to
> > > pay for any more repairs due to damage caused by the road he lives on
> > (with
> > > his parents, mind you). For the money he's shelling out on the lease,
he
> > > could've put a whopping down-payment on a nice home on a better
street,
> > then
> > > afford to buy a vette and keep it in good condition. Instead, he's got
> to
> > > live with his parents three more years, and at the end will have no
> money
> > > and no car. He's driving on bald tires because he can't afford to put
on
> > > even regular rubber. Oh, yeah, I beat him at the track in my SHO this
> > > summer, twice. He won't take it to the strip.
> > >
> > > They really need better screening processes before passing out
> performance
> > > vehicles.
> > >
> > > PS: HUD is nice, but doesn't really seem to have the usefullness that
> you
> > > experience as a military pilot. The same effect could be achieved much
> > > cheaper by simply placing a fluourescent display atop the dash. I
found
> > once
> > > the novelty wore off (5 minutes), I checked the readings on the HUD
less
> > > often than the dash gauges (due to the harsh contrast of the text). It
> was
> > > somewhat distracting, too, being so close to the line of vision. The
> only
> > > usefullness I see for HUD applications in cars is to tag objects and
the
> > > road in poor visibility conditions (Although that would lead to people
> > > driving at 90 mph in heavy fog. A good pilot knows that when it's time
> to
> > > rely on gauges alone, it's time to be extra cautious). Other than
> > displaying
> > > obstructions, a small display of speed in the lower left hand corner
of
> > the
> > > window, in red would be nice, especially if it would also serve as a
> > highly
> > > visible idiot light.
> > >
> > > Which reminds me... I've found it would be feasible to use the socket
> 194
> > > circuit boards I'm having printed to install both a white LED and a
12v
> > > piezo-electric buzzer. Someone mentioned it would be nice to have an
> > audible
> > > alarm to go with the idiot lights, and I agree (oil, mainly). I can't
> > always
> > > see all the lights due to the steering wheel.
> > >
> > >
> > > DP
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "SHO GOS" <shogos@earthlink.net>
> > > To: "SHOTimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:15 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT) Spy pics of 2005 Mustang
> > >
> > >
> > > > That's more loaded than the T-Bird which has nothing except a
> removable
> > > hard
> > > > top. HUD and Fog lights and such use to be an option. I guess
they're
> > > > standard now, even more for your buck than the T-Bird.
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