I just want to say thanks to everyone who replied. Joseph, sent me the basket rim pic, many thanks. This is a great e-mail list. I am glad to be apart of it. Thanks again everyone, Al --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02