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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ryan" <av8r567@optonline.net>
To: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>; "Ron Nottingham"
<nottingham@alltel.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 19:39
Subject: RE: Stupid TOP GUN quotes, was RE: [Shotimes] Plastic Hood Poll


> E-3 "Sentry" is the USAF Boeing 707 AWACS (Airborne Warning And Control
> System).
> began operation in 1977
>
> E-2 "Hawkeye" is the USN AWACS counterpart.
> began operation in 1961
>
> The F-14 Tomcat is a long-range "fleet defender" aircraft (not a
> dogfighter).  It is affectionately known as the 'TomTurkey' because it is
> big, lumbering, and clumsy .  It was designed around the long-range AIM-54
> Phoenix missile.  It can simultaneously track, acquire, and engage up to 6
> targets at a range of 100+ miles (using 6 Phoenix missiles).
>
> The AIM-54A missile (1974) had a very low probability of kill (PK) because
> it was easily "fooled" by enemy radar jammers.  The AIM-54C (1986) and the
> AIM-54C Sealed (1988) have on-board electronic-counter-measures, which
give
> them a much higher PK.  They're still in service and will remain as long
as
> the F-14 is around.
>
> The F/A-18 A/B/C/D was designed as a multi-role aircraft from day one.  It
> was chosen to replace the F-4 Phantom II in the fighter role, and the A-7
> Corsair II in the light attack role.  The A-6 Intruder is a medium attack
> aircraft (carries more bombs) and the F/A-18 was intended to complement
it,
> not replace it.
>
> With the retirement of the A-6 about 6 years ago the Navy was left without
a
> medium attack aircraft.  They created a few F-14 Strike Fighters or
> "Bombcats" but there were problems with bomb adhesion - the bombs could
only
> be carried center-fuselage and when they were released the airflow thru
that
> section would not let the bombs fall properly.  I think they finally
solved
> that problem and the plan was to give all 210 F-14s the capability to drop
> laser-guided bombs.  They decided that the bombing role would put too much
> stress on the 30 year old airframe so only 80 of the 210 aircraft were
> modified.
>
> They even hung bombs on the S-3 Viking anti-submarine aircraft, called it
> the Strike Viking, but that idea was scrapped.  However, the S-3 did pick
up
> one previous role of the A-6, specifically the KA-6 aerial refueling
tanker.
> The new variant is called KS-3 - I'm not positive but I think the "K"
prefix
> is for tan'K'er.  The USMC uses KC-130s, and the USAF uses KC-135s and
> KC-10s, and probably same KC-130s for helicopter refueling.
>
> The F-14 is coming to the end of its service life and the Navy wanted
> another multi-role aircraft to replace the F-14 and the A-6 and thereby
> simplify maintenance and inventory issues.  In comes the F/A-18 E/F Super
> Hornet.  While the "little" Hornet does an excellent job replacing the F-4
> and A-7, the Super Hornet has big shoes to fill and only does a mediocre
job
> replacing 2 great aircraft.
>
> The F-8 Crusader, last of the gunfighters (carried no missiles), was in
> service from 1957 to 1985/6 so it probably wasn't the other aircraft you
> saw.  The A-7 Corsair II in service from 1965 to 1992 was probably the
> aircraft.  It is from the same manufacturer as the F-8 and is based on a
> shorter version of the F-8 airframe.  The F-8 is long and skinny, and goes
> supersonic due to its after-burning engine.  The A-7 is short and fat, and
> has a non-after-burning engine.  They have the same overall
configuration -
> high-wing and chin air intake.  I'll have to watch more closely next time
I
> see the movie.
>
> Sorry for the long post but I've been an airplane nut since I was a kid
(30
> years) and a SHO nut for only 11 years.
>
>
> James F. Ryan III
> '91 Plus - white/mocha
> temporarily living in Chicago, IL
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ian Fisher
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:53 AM
> To: 'Ron Nottingham'; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: Stupid TOP GUN quotes, was RE: [Shotimes] Plastic Hood Poll
>
>
> E3 Hawkeye, eyes in the sky. Watch Behind Enemy Lines for more realistic
> Naval aviation cinema. The first lines from that movie are from a
> Hawkeye contacting the carrier about an "unknown rider".
>
> The Phoenix is no longer produced. Many of them were found to be
> defective and they were all retired from commission. It was an awesome
> missile, but apparently it didn't work as planned. However, I think that
> the Phoenix was still being used in 1986 when the movie was filmed. I
> think that they tried to incorporate some heat seeking sidewinders in
> the movie as well. It's difficult to tell since in one scene, an F14 is
> carrying aux fuel tanks (which would have been dropped for less weight
> and better maneuverability), the next shot it shows a camera mounted on
> a pylon and then a few shots later, missiles are magically fired from
> empty pylons.
>
> I am not sure why the F18's weren't used. (there is a shot of one being
> staged on a catapult, but we are supposed to think it's a Tomcat. (This
> happened all the time in the movie, Crusaders, Intruders, Hornets all
> being used interchangeably, an F14 taking off from land without a
> catapult when its supposed to be launching form a carrier, etc)
>  I suspect that in 1986 the Top Gun base in Miramar was mainly focused
> on training F14 Tomcat aviators and that the F18's weren't fully on the
> scene yet. It's not until recently with the demise of the A6 intruder
> and military downsizing that the F18 has been transformed into a dual
> role plane; carrying either light bomb loads or air to air weaponry for
> fighter/patrol duties.
>
> Watch Behind Enemy Lines; great movie.
>
> Ian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Nottingham
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:18 AM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Stupid TOP GUN quotes, was RE: [Shotimes] Plastic Hood Poll
>
>
> OK, I know this is OT, but I just can't help myself.....
>
> What get's me about that movie (I do like it anyway), is the fact that
> they send just F-14's out to DOGFIGHT a MiG-28 (ohhhh boy, MiG's are
> numbered using ODD numbers)!  Now, where was the E-3? (I think that is
> it's designation, the twin turboprop airborne control system)  Why not
> send the F-18's along with the F-14's?  Hornets are much better
> dogfighters than Tomcats.  Since they only sent Tomcats, though, why did
> they not use the AIM-54 Phoenix?  I guess, maybe because they didn't
> have their "eyes".  Or maybe because they wanted to use a Sparrow
> (Phoenix is a better missle to use, as one does not have to be on the
> enemy's 6 or close to that proximity).  Or something a little better
> than a Sparrow, especially in this tight of a dogfight, why not the
> Sidewinder?
>
> Oh well, it's just a movie...  I guess it wouldn't be "exciting" if it
> were like real life.  E-3's acquire target, F-14's fly out, get good
> radar signal from bogeys, launch AIM-54's from a safe distance, splash
> bogeys before they even know somethings up, and return to the flight
> deck.
>
> Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> 90 SHO
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> To: "'Jim Ryan'" <av8r567@optonline.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:01 AM
> Subject: Stupid TOP GUN quotes, was RE: [Shotimes] Plastic Hood Poll
>
>
> > Thanks Iceman
> >
> > Ice: I'm on his tail, I'm on his tail, I'm going for it, going for it,
>
> > I'm going for the shot right now. Roger engage.
> > Slider: I've got radar lock.
> > Ice: Good tone, I'm taking a shot! (hits 50 million switches) Fire!
> > (sparrow missile magically appears from camera mounted pylon.
> > Ice: Bingo!
> > Slider: (can't control himself) watch that sucker yeah!
> > Mav: Ice, watch out, there's a MIG to your right..he's firing! (.22 mm
>
> > rounds fired from a 50 cal mingun (I think..don't have F5 specs handy
> > right now) pepper the fuselage under the canopy and some paint flakes
> > off)
> >
> > The dialogue in that scene is sooo bad..
> >
> > Ahh..I can go on and on...sadly, most of this is from memory too. :(
> >
> > Prob one of my favorite movies albeit with some awesome footage and
> > the worst video editing I have ever seen. Yes, if you've worn out 4
> > VHS copies and have now moved on to the DVD, you may have noticed such
>
> > interesting things such as: 1. Goose's presence in the last dog
> > fighting scene although he died a few scenes prior.
> > 2. Breaking high and right can be the opposite
> > 3. Flying above cloud cover over land is synonymous with flying above
> > water (they switch backgrounds so often its not even funny)
> > 4. Maverick's "circus stunt flyby" results in (jester or viper's A4
> > somehow getting back behind him. (on his 6)
> >
> > My favorite part: rolling scissors between the F14 and the A4.
> >
> > SHO content: none..Jim started it; I can't stop Top Gun movie lines
> > once I am started..
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Ryan
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:34 AM
> > To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Plastic Hood Poll
> >
> >
> > I'm in, roger, engaging.  (Top Gun movie quote)
> >
> > '91 Plus - Oxford white
> > - rear decklid spoiler
> > - blacked-out "B" pillar
> > - black sideview mirrors
> > - "24-valve" badges
> > - white slicers
> > - autolamp
> > - EATC
> > - keyless entry
> > - power antenna
> > - power front seats
> > - JBL stereo
> > - moonroof
> >
> > - "power bulge" hood
> > - rod shifter
> > - white TAURUS on trunklid
> >
> > born-on-date - 6/91
> >
> > Car has every SHO and Plus option except the CD-player (didn't think
> > it would ever take off - DOH!!! mud on my face).
> >
> >
> > James F. Ryan III
> > '91 Plus - white/mocha
> > temporarily living in Chicago, IL
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