[Shotimes] Camry in Winston Cup 2007

[Ron Porter]

Yeah, some of the bitches about NASCAR are not very valid, IMHO. There is
probably as much, if not more, variety in chassis designs, different makes
of engines used, etc, as there is in any other major series. The bitch about
just having body "skins" over a race chassis is really the same situation as
virtually every other top doorslammer race series. Sure, the engines are
still OHV carb motors, but so what? I don't see how things would change if
they all went to OHC engines and EFI. Racing would be the same.

A drop in cubic inches (4.5-5.0 maybe??) and an elimination of restrictor
plates would be nice, though.

I'm not a fan of open-wheel cars, nor a fan of ovals, so open-wheel cars on
ovals (CART, IRL) bore me.  At least with MASCAR stockers racing on ovals,
they swap paint and make it look more interesting, cars touching in an
open-wheel series can't really be done without crashing, so those races look
more sterile.

The ROW (Rest Of World) fanatical interest in F1 reminds me of their
fanatical interest in soccer ("football", I guess). Something I don't really
understand, but I think they make a big deal out of it because of the
nationalism of the teams, I guess.

Now, the WRC.....that's cool!!

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert Bruce
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:47 PM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Camry in Winston Cup 2007


I have worked as a mechanic in racing for many years.  Spent several years
in various levels of NASCAR including Winston Cup and Busch.  I still
believe it is the best racing available.  Indy style race events can't get
enough cars to fill a starting grid except for the Indy 500 itself.  Most
road racing series have to combine classes to fill the field.  NHRA is a
great sport, but could do a lot better with a different marketing plan.
NASCAR has overflowing fields.  They turn teams away every week after
qualifying.  They get bigger crowds of spectators and more teams to every
event than any other series.

NASCAR rules are written in an attempt to ensure a level playing field for
each team, while allowing the inspection process to be carried out
efficiently.  I agree that they need to update the technology with more
modern motors and suspensions, but this old technology is also one of the
reasons that NASCAR racing is one of the most affordable (professional
level) series around.  As far as suggestions that compare NASCAR to WWF, I
don't believe it.  Each team works unbelievably hard, long hours.  The
teams, owners and most importantly, the sponsors would not tolerate NASCAR
favoring a particular team or driver.  NASCAR rules are clearly written and
followed to the letter.

My favorite series, in order, are NASCAR (all eleven series), ARCA, Grand Am
Cup, Grand AM, Am Le Mans, Trans Am, Speedworld TC & GT, followed by several
others.  CART & F1 are somewhere below tractor pulls.  Love some of the
vintage stuff too.

Just my $.02
Robert Bruce
93 atx
89
Still loyally waving the France family flag.

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Donald Mallinson
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 1:42 PM
To: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Camry in Winston Cup 2007


Ron, I agree with you on most counts, but I don't understand
the knock on Vintage racing.  I have been to several events,
and eventually I want to race an SHO in some vintage events.

Yes, it isn't all out, fender banging in a lot of cases, but
get the old pro's in cars owned by people rich enough to say
"Don't worry about wrecking it!" and they mix it up pretty
well.  The point is to see the old cars and some of the old
drivers on the track again having at it.  I don't think
ANYONE has represented "vintage" racing at any level as
anything other than fun and a chance to see and hear some
really great stuff run again at 9/10ths.

Most vintage "races" don't even have a set finish time or
lap, they through the flag at a random point so that they
can call the race over without having people foolishly
destroy sometimes priceless or irreplaceable machines.

Most vintage organizations have major rules against banging
fenders and dangerous driving.  Also, most vintage classes
do allow passing anywhere, just no banging of fenders.  The
joy as a spectator or participant is to get the old stuff
out and have fun again.  I got to see some not-so-old NASCAR
cars up close and personal at a couple of vintage events.  I
wouldn't get that chance at most NASCAR events.  Same with
Ferrari, Lotus etc cars from the past.

Don Mallinson

Ron Nottingham wrote:
> F.1 is now more "follow the leader" than any other sport.  Very little
> passing, even in the back of the pack.  Nascar now has more lead changes
> than any other top tier pro motorsport.  As far as Vintage racing, now
there
> are more rules about "how" to race than anything else (no passing on
> corners, can only pass on straights with enough room ,etc). Vintage racing
> is almost an oxymoron, they need to call it a Vintage parade. The best
> racing is the non-pro SCCA events.  Don't worry about watching the leader,
> as he will usually lead from start to finish.  Watch the "other"
guys/gals.
> When I go see Trans Am, Grand Am, or ALMS events, I enjoy watching the
> support races better.  Some of those racers in the middle and back of the
> pack give it 210%!!!  They just screw up all the time, and have some cool
> spins and off track forays.
>
> Ron N. - Dalton, GA
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