[Shotimes] The Seat I Want

[ianf@eden.rutgers.edu]

Well, it really wasn't the debate..However,I guess it depends on how 
mangled your car is around your body...

There are too many variables to compare how quickly someone can get out 
of a harness in a car accident.

Ian


> If the debate is that a regular seatbelt is easier to get out of, 
that is
> ridiculous.  With a quick twist right at my belt buckle area I can 
release
> all five points of my harness, a quicker and easier move than ANY 
seatbelt.
> 
> Toolman
> 
> -------Original Message-------
> 
> From: Ian Fisher
> Date: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:16:07 PM
> To: 'Timothy Tyner'; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] The Seat I Want
> 
> If you are wearing a traditional seatbelt, your body has some freedom 
of
> movement. It will slide around on the side somewhat during impact. 
Even
> after initial impact, if you are sitting in your seat with a harness,
> you won't be able to maneuver around as well or unhook yourself. With 
a
> traditional belt, you can unbuckle yourself a little easier and 
maneuver
> around a little more easily.
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Timothy Tyner
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:06 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] The Seat I Want
> 
> 
> And why will your head not get crumpled if you do not have a harness 
on?
> There is no way human strength can keep your head from doing whatever
> the forces acting upon a car in a wreck are going to make it do. If 
you
> have no harness and a roof impact strong enough to snap your neck if 
you
> had a harness occurs, it is at the least going to crack your skull.
> While I am sure there is a certain small percentage of accident
> scenarios that would injure the driver greater if he was wearing a
> harness vs not, there are the same percentage of scenarios that will
> injure a driver greater if he were wearing a seatbelt vs not. That is
> not going to keep me from wearing my seatbelt though.
> 
> Toolman
> 
> -------Original Message-------
> 
> From: Ian Fisher
> Date: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:37:48 AM
> To: 'Dave Kegel'; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] The Seat I Want
> 
> This thread is a good time to get me started on my newest rant: Safety
> Harnesses. Racing Seats tend to be safer than OE seats, but I would 
not
> combine a racing seat with a harness unless I had a roll cage. In the
> event of a roll over, a roof will tend to collapse. If you have a roll
> cage, then you are probably good to go. If you don't, But you do have 
a
> harness, your neckis going to snap like a twig. The roof will crumple
> around your head which can't go anywhere since your body is strapped 
to
> the harness. Roll cages also tend to negate the effect of a crumple
> zone. Instead of the car absorbing impact energy, your body is now
> taking a lot of that force which can be seriously dehabilitating if 
not
> deadly. If I am going to take a roll down a large rocky hill, I want a
> roll cage. If I am going to slam into the back of a semi, I want my
> crumple zones. Either way, I don't think I'd want a harness without a
> roll cage.
> 
> I hope this starts an interesting debate; list has been kinda lame
> lately. :)
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Kegel
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:02 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] The Seat I Want
> 
> 
> I just take my coat off when I drive. Nice, inexpensive solution.
> 
> How's that for being creative? :)
> 
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "van Oss" <vanOss@centurytel.net>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: November 22, 2002 10:47 AM
> Subject: [Shotimes] The Seat I Want
> 
> 
> > An observation while switching from the summer 92 SHO to the winter 
91
> SHO...
> >
> > The summer track-prepared car has a Kirkey road-racing seat bolted 
to
> tracks taken from a dead SLO. Very comfortable because it's
> > fit to me. Best part is the headroom (good for helmets) caused by
> dropping the seating surface about 4-5 inches.
> >
> > When I get into the winter 91 with stock seat, I feel like I'm 
riding
> around in mid-air. Geez. My head is touching the headliner
> > (both cars have lower ceiling because of moonroof). The driver 
seating
> height is the one thing I really would like to change about
> > this car.
> >
> > Transferring the Kirkey seat into the 91 is not practical. With a
> > bulky
> winter coat on (George and Alan, use your imagination),
> > it's awkward to get in and out, and quite a squeeze while seated.
> >
> > What I'd really like in the winter SHO is something like the Kirkey
> > seat,
> except with all or most of the side bolsters cut off.
> > Anybody got any ideas? I mean, other than spending $450 on another
> > Kirkey
> and cutting it? Let's be creative.
> >
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