[Shotimes] RE: Another loss for

[Michael S Wojton]

A friend has both a Contour SVT and a ZX3 Focus.  The Contour is
a little smaller inside than a Taurus.  Most notably in headroom. Of
course, I am 6'5", so just about everything is short on headroom for
me.  Believe it or not, the Focus is a little more roomy than the SVT.
Looks are very deceiving.  It looks like a smaller car from the outside.
Both put the driver and passenger closer together than a Taurus
though.  The Focus was designed to be as roomy as possible for
that size car.  I can work the clutch in the Focus easier than in the
Contour.


Mike Wojton
'95 MTX
Toledo, Ohio
shomike@tri-statesho-svt.org

K&N sans silencer cone
SHO Shop Y-pipe

"Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan

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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
From: Brian.E.Harris[sho-sc]@sho-sc.com
Sender: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Another loss for Ford.

Haven't sat in an SVT yet.

I almost fit in a Z24, but fit a whole lot better in the LS 4door - I can
vouch that it'll hold a 6'9" fat-ass.

Anyone know the driver size limits in these cars?

How do they compare to the SHO?

-bh

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Steve Tatro wrote:

> You complain that the Focus SVT is "too small..." yet you praise GM for
> still offering a Z24?  You can't be serious!?
>
> Is there really any reason to be excited about a Grand Am, even if it
> does have Ram Air?  What's that add, about 5 hp?
>
> If Ford offered a Taurus with a special "Ram Air" system that didn't
> really even "ram" any "air", would that be better?  No, it would be
> stupid.
>
> The CTS is "good" even though it (performance wise) is *almost* equal to
> the SHO from 14 years ago?  Whatever!  Or should it be praised because
> it has a snazzy (albeit cheap) interior?
>
> Oh, and you knock the LS saying it's "more lux than sport" yet you seem
> to think it's dandy that GM offers a s/c Buick?!  Is the s/c Regal, or
> GTP, or any other GM plasticar available with a manual?  Hmm.
>
> Now, I'm not saying I'm happy with what Ford is currently offering.  I
> want a Taurus, with a brand new Yamaha engine, with good cams.  And not
> the current Taurus body, something that looks good and doesn't appear to
> be a water vessel.  But none of this makes it okay to pretend that GM or
> DC offer anything worth buying!
>
> Steve Tatro
> Red/Black '93 with 162k miles
> Cincinnati, Ohio
> www.picturetrail.com/stevetatro
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Nottingham
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:13 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Another loss for Ford.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
>
>
> > Getting Bondurant's business is a great marketing coup. Plus, they may
> even
> > be building decontented Z06s for Bondurant to get the price down,
> > since
> they
> > modify their cars a bit anyway.
> >
> > Ford really isn't doing too badly on the performance front, they just
> aren't
> > producing the kind of car that we want (MTX sport sedan). The current
> > list isn't bad:
> >
> > Mustang GT
> > Cobra
>
> Both the above SHOULD have performance...
>
> > Lightning
>
> yawn, can't the whole family in one.
>
> > SVT Focus
>
> too small...
>
> > Marauder
>
> nice, but it is pricey, and a bit heavy...
>
> > LS
>
> more lux than sport...
>
> > Then the GT40 will be showing up one of these days.
>
> Can you afford one?
>
> > You say that "Ford has lost the performance edge it once had over the
> other
> > domestic makes"? Other than the Viper and Corvette, there isn't a lot
> > out there. Yes, new models are being promised (new GTO, V8 CTS, hipo
> > Neon),
> but
> > other than the s/c Pontiacs, the cupboard is pretty bare.
> >
>
> At least GM is offering a performance sedan.  The s/c Pontiacs are nice,
> even the Ram Air Grand Am is OK, the CTS (even though it is ugly in my
> eyes) is good, Buick even has some s/c sedans (or did a year ago), and
> Cavalier Z24's offered good punch for the money.  The new Stratus coupe
> and sedan are very nice, and offer more sport than Ford offers
> currently.  Outside of anything SVT, what does Ford have (and Mustangs
> don't count, since they should have performance anyway)?  LS and
> Marauder?  bah.  60-year old men are driving Marauders around here.
> Both of these are more luxury oriented than sport.  If I don't want a
> Focus, a Mustang, a pickup truck, or spending more than $30k, what
> choice do I have from Ford?  Let's look in Ford's mid-size cabinet:
> hmmm, pretty bare, oh wait, there's the new Mazda 6, but not really my
> cup of tea, as it doesn't have the Blue Oval.
>
> I'm not looking for a 300hp mid-size for under $30k (ok, if I were, I
> know of several that approach that 300hp mark and cost under $30k), but
> if Ford offered one, I would buy it.  But they don't.
>
> Ford's lost it.  I hope they get it back, but if they don't, there are a
> ton of fine cars out there that has the potential to get my money.
>
> Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> 90 SHO
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ron Nottingham
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:01 AM
> > To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Another loss for Ford.
> >
> >
> > Maybe so, but I don't see GM giving too much discount on the Z06.
> > Around here, Z06's don't stay on the lot for only a couple days.
> >
> > Just goes to show that Ford has lost the performance edge it once had
> > over the other domestic makes.  Aside from the Cobra, Jags, and A-M, I
>
> > view
> Ford
> > as maker of stodgy cars now, something akin to Toyota, but without the
> high
> > quality :-)  Ford used to have a multitude of go fast cars outside of
> > Mustangs, including the Turbo/SC T-Birds, XR4Ti's, SHO's, Escort GT's
> (with
> > the Mazda engine), just to name a few.  Now, what does Ford have?
> > T-Birds with more lux than sport, Focus ZX3's that are nowhere near as
>
> > quick as competitors (well, even the Civic Si has fallen in
> > performance), and what
> do
> > they have in a roomy, go fast, 4-door?  The MazdaSpeed Protege is
> > nice,
> even
> > though Ford owns controlling stake in Mazda, it still doesn't have the
> Blue
> > Oval.
> >
> > I think my SHO will be the last Ford in my stable, unless I get a
> > Mustang. I may do just as Bonderant has done... sigh...
> >
> > Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> > 90 SHO
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> >
> >
> > > He may have put it out for bid, and GM offered the better deal.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > >
> > > Ford must have really p!ssed off Bonderant, as he has always been an
> avid
> > > Ford supporter.  Wonder why he didn't get the new Cobras?  Almost
> > > half
> > price
> > > of the Z06, and power to match.  Well, it is couple tenths slower
> > > than
> the
> > > Z06...
> > >
> > > I can see the CTS deal, as they are rear drive, and seat four, Ford
> > > currently has nothing to compare with it.  I don't think the LS
> > > comes
> > close
> > > to the CTS.
> > >
> > > As for the SHO's, I think he already got rid of those.
> > >
> > > Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> > > 90 SHO
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Costa" <fcosta@comcast.net>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Does the bondurant school have any shos, currently?
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dave Kegel" <d.kegel@attbi.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Just read in the latest Autoweek that Bondurant has signed a
> > > > > four
> year
> > > > > deal with GM to be the official supplier of cars for the school.
>
> > > > > 26 CTSs, 16 Vettes, and four Z06s.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bummer.
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