[Shotimes] OT - Baghdad has fallen

[Paul L Fisher]

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right thing from now on.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Tyner" <shospeed@bigplanet.com>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:37 PM
Subject: Fw: RE: [Shotimes] OT - Baghdad has fallen


> The murder of innocent Native Americans, not to mention African-Americans,
> went on for far more than 2 decades (and many more dead than even at the
> hands of Hitler).  Do I condone anything Saadam and his regime has done?
Of
> course not.  But please do not paint the US as some peace loving, all
good,
> based on Christian values, always take the moral high ground, etc etc.  If
> another country had stepped in to stop the atrocities dealt to the Native
> Americans at the hands of this countries leadership, and had brought war
to
> this soil, and was killing inncont women and children, simply as a
neccesity
> of war, what tune would the American people be singing?  Did peace give
'us'
> this country you ask?  No.  It was biult on the burial mounds of million
of
> men women and children who had the unfortunate circumstance of living here
> for hundreds of years before 'America' was 'discovered'.   You are right,
as
> long as man rules, war will be a part of humanity.  But hey, at least you
> can watch your football programs.
>
> Toolman
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Timothy L. Sorrells
> Date: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 13:45:55
> To: VBN Media
> Cc: Shotimes
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - Baghdad has fallen
>
> I'd like to be politically correct, but sorry, it's just not me.
>
> I understand that Al-Jazeer and Abu Dhabi tv are carrying coverage. I also
> understand the severity of the issue.
> At the same time, I'm remembering 2 planes hitting the twin towers, one
> hitting the pentagon and one hitting the ground in Pennsylvania. Watching
as
> people jumped out of the World Trade Center versus burning to death like
> several thousands did on September 11th, 2001.
>
> I also see the people that have survived in this war, the children who are
> starving to death because Mr. Saddam had to have a golden chandelier,
golden
> water spouts, and several lavish mansions. Also the plight of the majority
> Shiite Muslims that have been persecuted by a ruthless dictator for 2
> decades.
>
> The majority of us, myself included, cannot even conceive the notion of
how
> these people lived and died. They have been involved in war for the last
30
> years.
>
> We may not find chemical weapons. We may not find proof of chemical
weapons,
> so what is what I say. Saddam Hussein has committed so many crimes to
> humanity since he started ruling, he should have been gone a decade ago.
>
> But my earlier comment may have been misunderstood. The rest of the ARAB
> world see's this as agression from the US. I've read so many articles of
> people wanting to join Iraq in the fight, or becoming suicide bombers.
They
> are blind to see that we are trying to help a country whose leader kills
his
> own people and threatens to kill them. Does George Bush tell you that you
> will die if you do not fight? No, I think not. Does the military fire
> grenades at you because you are trying to be free? No, again.
>
> Wake up!!! Peace has never worked, never will, sorry, but the truth as I
see
> it. Hitler benefitted for years because people wanted to be peaceful, then
> looked what happened. What about those innocent millions who died? And,
the
> innocent people who Saddam's Regime have killed.
>
> Oh yeah, did peace give us this country? Did peace stop slavery? Answer to
> those both, I think you know.
>
> No, I don't like the idea of war, just like everyone else. But it's a
> necessity of humanity and it will always be a part of our lives, like it
or
> not.
>
> But hey, I'm thankful I am free and can watch the NFL, or what ever
program
> I want and not brainwashed by Iraqi tv.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VBN Media [mailto:vbnmedia@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:14 PM
> To: Timothy L. Sorrells
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - Baghdad has fallen
>
>
> not to rain on your parade Timothy, but the pictures
> from inside Iraq's hospital are not as inspiring. we
> have killed and maimed a lot of folks, wiping out
> entire families and decimating a lot of property.
> thousands killed (including military) and many
> hundreds of women and children killed. try to burn
> that reality into your mind. i join you in hoping for
> the best possible outcome under the circumstances, but
> as you may someday realize, people who opposed the
> invasion has real reasons for it. this is not the
> NFL.
>
> floyd
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