[Shotimes] (OT) Marauder

Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:49:22 -0500

OK, Ron...how about the LS1?  It's been used in the Camaro, Firebird, and
the GTO.  How about the 302HP 4.6L 32V V8 in the Mustang Mach I, Marauder,
and Lincoln Aviator? It's been done before...it can be done again.

As for the GT 5.4 engine...it's interesting how the specs of 500HP and
500LB/FT of torque match up so well with the specs for the next gen
Lightning 5.4...coincidence?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ron Porter
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:28 PM
> To: Mark Kelley; SHOtimes (Team.net)
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
>
>
> ???? What else is the LS6 certified for? Unless you are talking the new
> CTS-V. No big deal for cars like that, costing $50K+ for the Z06, probably
> an easy $55-60K for the CTS-V.
>
> Haven't followed the GT engine development, but I'll bet the only
> things in
> common with the lightning motor are the 5.4 liters and the Eaton. I'm sure
> that tuning is way different, which a much wider power band.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Kelley [mailto:mkelley1@gt.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:27 PM
> To: SHOtimes (Team.net); Ron Porter
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
>
>
> Yes, it is.  There's a big write up in the current issue of Car and Driver
> about how much of the design work for the GT version of engine was doing
> through virtual reality.  There's big beautiful Eaton SC sitting
> on top that
> baby!
>
> It seems to me if GM can re-certify the Corvette LS6 for different
> applications in a cost effective manner, Ford should be able to do it as
> well.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ron Porter
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:31 PM
> > To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
> >
> >
> > "Essentially the same" doesn't mean much. Each application must
> certified,
> > and for $100K+ fro the GTG, it could very well be certified
> just for that
> > package.
> >
> > IIRC, the GT motor isn't supercharged.
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mkelley1@gt.rr.com [mailto:mkelley1@gt.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:56 PM
> > To: ronporter@prodigy.net; mkelley1@gt.rr.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
> >
> >
> > They're putting essentially the same engine into the Ford GT so it must
> > also be federalized for passenger vehicles as well.
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Ron Porter ronporter@prodigy.net
> > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:52:04 -0400
> > To: mkelley1@gt.rr.com, shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
> >
> >
> > IIRC, it's federalized for lower emissions in the pickup truck.
> > Plus, it is
> > a TALL engine with the blower on it. I don't see it fitting into any
> > passenger car with out a serious hood scoop.
> >
> > It's also set up as a torque monster. I prefer engines with
> more flexible
> > rpm ranges.
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mkelley1@gt.rr.com [mailto:mkelley1@gt.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:34 PM
> > To: ronporter@prodigy.net; dmckinnon@asttechlabs.com;
> > shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
> >
> >
> > There is an alternative:  put in the Lightning engine.  It makes more HP
> > and is already federalized.
> >
> > Of course you still have the price issue.  I agree with you on that one.
> > If I had $60K to blow, I'm not sure I'd do it on a Falcon.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Ron Porter ronporter@prodigy.net
> > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:35:27 -0400
> > To: dmckinnon@asttechlabs.com, shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
> >
> >
> > Can't really tell from the pix, as the hoodline may be taller on
> > the Falcon
> > than the CV/GM. I have read that the 5.4 will not fit the CV/GM,
> > or even the
> > Town Car, for that matter.
> >
> > Bring the Falcon here?????  Well, I guess it's time for me to put on my
> > "Voice Of Doom" t-shirt (a very nice Carhart shirt that Dave
> > Garber had made
> > up, BTW!!) that I got after being on the V8 list for too long.
> > The car/motor
> > does not meet EPA emissions/mileage/crash regs. The motor is
> close to the
> > 320 HP Cobra motor (yeah, some more torque from the 5.4, though), and
> > Federalizing it will drop it to at least 320 HP. Plus, the car
> > weighs almost
> > 4,000 lbs.....damn close to Marauder weight.
> >
> > The direct conversion from Australian $$$ to US $$$ prices it
> at $50,130.
> > Add in the EPA and other Federalized stuff, and that's a $60K+
> car. Sorry,
> > there are other cars on the market for that kinda $$$ that would be
> > preferable........and not named a Falcon!!
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Don McKinnon (AST)
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 2:42 PM
> > To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
> >
> >
> > I pretty sure that it can fit! The Australian Ford Falcon XR8
> > gets the DOHC
> > 5.4l motor, It's deck is not bigger than the Marauder/CV, see a
> > good pix of
> > the car here
> > http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/2003_ford_ba_falcon_xr8.html
> >   (why is
> > it every time I see a pix of this car I drool!)
> >
> > A 6sp tranny would help with the EPA just like it does/did on the
> > New Cobra,
> > and C5, CST-V and F-body GM cars.
> >
> > Don McKinnon
> > 95 MTX - White/Mocha 91k miles
> > Stage 1 Power Package with Stage 1cams
> > Canyon Carver Road/Race Suspension
> > Quaife & HiRevs Competition Clutch
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ron Porter
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 12:34 PM
> > To: BJamesjr@aol.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
> >
> >
> > Would have been nice, except I'm sure it does not fit. Even a
> stock 5.4 is
> > very tall, and IIRC the stock 5.4 won't fit in the CV/GM body.
> >
> > Besides, doesn't the Lightning motor qualify under easier
> > emissions/mileage
> > stds than regular passenger engines?
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of BJamesjr@aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:23 AM
> > To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] (OT) Marauder
> >
> >
> > > The S/C Cobra motor in the Marauder would have
> > > sold every one that they could build.
> >
> > Yes, or even the motor out of the Lightning pickup.
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