[Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak

Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:49:29 -0700

Car does not sound like it's out of time.  In fact it's been running
really good.  This is not to brag but I'm a rock and roll drummer as
well, so I may hear things beyond what is normal!  This ticking is
driving me nuts though!  Let me ask this - If it's a shim out of spec,
where is the best place to listen (thru stethoscope) for this.  I tried
the valve cover bolts and valve covers but still didn't feel like I had
a good read on where the sound was coming from.

The crank bolt is definitely TQ'd, So what does leave to check?  If it
is deeper in the valves or bearings, how do you know what to do??  If a
bearing is bad is there a way to know for sure and could a bad bearing
or something be causing this symptom?

Kerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:27 PM
To: Kerry Kinion
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak

Most likely it's not crank cancer.  That would effect the car throughout
the
entire rpm range.  And the car would sound like it's out of time.
Usually
it'll only happen if someone took the crank bolt off and never
re-torqued it
to it's proper torque.

'95 MTX
Erik B.
http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
http://mashomods.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak

> Ticking is definitely happening between 2000-3000 RPM's.  Not a tranny
> problem.  I can make it do it on command in neutral at about 2400
RPM's
> when I lightly accelerate.  Above about 3000 RPM's the thing sounds
fine
> - in fact it sounds like a bad ass SOB.  I hesitate to say where I
think
> the noise is coming from because I just can't isolate it yet.  I'm
still
> fearing crank cancer!  At the same time I am fearing the worst - that
> maybe I still have a shim out of spec. - If this is the case I'll be
> really pissed.  I spent hours making sure I was in spec.
>
> Thanks again to you Erik and to the list for helping and not being too
> hard on rookies like myself!!
>
> Josh Salaets might hook up with me in a day or two.  If he listens to
> this maybe he can help with the diagnosis and I'll keep you all filled
> in.  I know I can't be the first and only with this problem.
>
> Kerry Kinion
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:16 PM
> To: Kerry Kinion
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
> If you only hear the tick at about 2500 rpm's then most likely the
> ticking
> isn't the fuel injectors.  Yeah I first noticed the ticking I thought
> something was wrong with my valve lash.  I still haven't gotten around
> to
> the valve lash adjustment yet, because of the cost for renting the
tools
> and
> shims.  Overall the majority of the SHO's I know about weren't very
far
> out
> of spec if any even after 120K miles or so.  As far as blowouts
blowing
> something in the tranny? most likely not, or if it did you'd know.
The
> injectors will tick faster as the rpm's go up as they are firing more
> often
> to supply fuel for the higher rpm's so sometimes you can lose the
sound
> of
> them over the engine noise as the rpm's increase. Does the noise only
> happen
> in 2nd gear?  Put the e-brake on and set the car in neutral.. rev the
> car up
> to 2500 or 3000 rpms or so to see if you still hear the noise.  If you
> only
> hear it while in gear it definitely could be a tranny problem.  Where
> does
> the noise sound like it's coming from? the valve covers? try to
pinpoint
> the
> noise more to a general area after you try the other thing i just
> suggested.
> I know it's not easy narrowing some noises down to an area. let me
know
> if
> you can hear the sound when the car is reved up in neutral.. that
should
> help narrow the problem down a little.
>
> '95 MTX
> Erik B.
> http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> http://mashomods.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> To: "Erik Balser" <masho95@charter.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
>
> Dude,
>
> Yes,MTX.  I was way off wasn't I?  Hope to meet you one of these days
> anyway.  The thing is I don't hear the noise at idle.  Idle sounds
> great.  It's when I shift into 2nd gear(or just push throttle up to
> about 2500rpm), just barely accelerate to about 2500 RPM's that I hear
> it.  Could the burnouts have blown something in the trans.?  Just got
> your latest warning message!  It was fun seeing the power that Yamaha
> has - but your heads up is warning is heeded and appreciated!  I want
to
> go to a Quaife too, just can't afford it right now.  I definitely
notice
> the one-sided torque pull on the steering without it.
>
> Do the injectors make a ticking noise at higher than idle?  When you
say
> you didn't notice your injectors ticking for a long time - when you
did,
> did you think something was wrong?  Thanks for your help and input -
> REALLY!
>
> Kerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:30 AM
> To: Kerry Kinion
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
> No I'm out in Massachusetts.   Wish i could take a look at it for you.
> The
> injectors make a ticking noise they you can definitely hear at idle.
> Maybe
> you are noticing that noise for the first time since you may be
worried
> you
> did something wrong?  Just an idea and I never noticed my injectors
> ticking
> for a long time.
>
> '95 MTX
> Erik B.
> http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> http://mashomods.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> To: "Erik Balser" <masho95@charter.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:18 AM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
>
> Hey Eric,
>
> Are you in Corvallis- or am I totally mistaken??  I just want somebody
> who knows the SHO to listen to what I'm hearing and tell me if I
should
> worry or not.  And, if I should worry, what I need to do??  The oil
leak
> is 2nd priority - the machine gun sound is the first!
>
> Kerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Balser [mailto:masho95@charter.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:47 PM
> To: Kerry Kinion; Shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
> There is a oil seal called the rear main seal where the tranny and
motor
> connect.  Actually where the tranny bolts up to the engine is where
the
> flywheel sits and behind that the rear main seal.  This is a common
oil
> leak
> point and is most likely where you oil is coming from.  The
> transmission,
> flywheel, etc. must come out to replace this seal.
>
> '95 MTX
> Erik B.
> http://webpages.charter.net/masho95
> http://mashomods.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:09 AM
> Subject: [Shotimes] Ticking/oil leak
>
>
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > I wrote in previously about a strange ticking noise that has started
> > after I did the 60k service.  I'm (OK - going out on a limb here)
sure
> I
> > got the valve shims back to spec. - checked about three times before
> > putting the thing back together!
> >
> > Got George's message and read FAQ about crank cancer - This could be
> the
> > problem??
> >
> > Borrowed an automotive stethoscope from a friend, but I don't claim
to
> > know what I am hearing thru the thing.  1st step was I removed RF
> > wheel/well/etc. and TQ'd crank bolt to spec(actually past a little
> bit).
> > Still makes the sound between 2-2500 RPM's.
> >
> > Again, it sounds like a very muffled Oozy(spelling?) machine gun.
> >
> > I have listened thru the stethoscope all over the engine and this is
> > just what I hear - keep in mind I don't know what the F I'm doing!!
> > 1.  Cyl 6 seems to tick louder than the rest
> > 2. I can hear the tick thru the crank pulley bolt too - even after
> > tightening to spec.
> > 3. I can also hear it thru the oil pan.
> >
> > I haven't learned about the lower part of the engine yet so excuse
me
> if
> > I sound totally stupid.  I know it's probably time I started
learning
> > about rod bearings, etc.  I'm tempted to take it in to the Ford
Dealer
> > (luckily I have a very cool local dealer and contact) to see if they
> can
> > pinpoint what the noise is.
> >
> > Any feed back is appreciated - the thing is running really good, am
I
> > being overly anal about this noise I'm hearing??
> >
> > Second question is this:  When I did all this 60k work I cleaned up
> the
> > underside of the engine really good (oil pan, trans, etc.).  Now, I
> look
> > underneath and have a very small oil leak.  It looks as though it is
> > coming from between the rear (yes - drivers side :-)) connection
> between
> > the motor and trans.  There is a gasket between these points that I
> can
> > see and the leak (I mean a couple drips now and again) is coming
> mostly
> > from the bolt or above the bolt closest to the driver that connects
> the
> > REAR end of the motor to the trans.  Is there a rear gasket -
> leak/weak
> > point above there I should be concerned about?  If so, what's the
> > procedure and difficulty level?
> >
> > Thanks, and sorry for the long-winded post!
> >
> > Kerry Kinion
> > '93 MTX - bone stock, 111k, fresh 60k (I think the 1st) done.
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