[Shotimes] rod bearings
Ian Fisher
ianf@eden.rutgers.edu
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:00:06 -0400
Some have found that some Ford "standard" bearings are not all one and
the same (i.e., they have varied somewhat).
The Truth is Out there..
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bruce McGuire
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:43 PM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] rod bearings
Back in the "Old" 289, 302 days, there were color coded bearings that
were -.0002, +.0002, etc. This is what was used at Ford to match bearing
clearances to crank grind tolerances, but were never available to the
general public. I'd be willing to bet that Yamaha used something similar
when assembling SHO motors, but will never be available from NAPA, etc.
Anyone???
Bruce McGuire
----- Original Message -----
From: "-Newmy-" <thenewmster@shaw.ca>
To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] rod bearings
> Im also sure that they all came with standard bearings.. I was only
> saying that if he had bearing noise, its always best to remachine to
> bring the tolerences back together again.Not doing this can destroy a
> perfectly
usable
> crank.
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> To: "'-Newmy-'" <thenewmster@shaw.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] rod bearings
>
>
> In a perfect world....of 12K rpm, 1 liter, 1,000 HP Formula 1 engines,
yes.
>
> I will bet large $$$ that every V6 SHO that Yamaha built came off the
> line with std bearings. A few of us have had thoroughly trashed
> bearings, yet
the
> rod journals are fine.
>
> Even for a 550+ HP s/c motor like Ransom has....if the journals aren't
> scored badly, std rod bearings will work just fine. If you wish to be
> anal and go through all of the grief, that's fine, but I'll bet you
> won't find anything out of spec.
>
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: -Newmy- [mailto:thenewmster@shaw.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:24 PM
> To: Ron Porter
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] rod bearings
>
>
> the only way to tell is to measure the main and rod journals, to see
> if
you
> have to machine or not. you wont be a happy camper after all that work
> if
it
> starts to make noise again down the road..not worth the chance to me,
> anyways.. Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> To: "'-Newmy-'" <thenewmster@shaw.ca>; "'Kerry Kinion'"
> <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:56 AM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] rod bearings
>
>
> Not necessary. Even with seriously bad rod bearings, see my Rod
> Bearing
Job
> at this link:
>
> http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=rsporter
>
> the rod journals are probably fine....as mine were. Just bolt in the
> new bearings and move on down the road.
>
> For the overwhelming majority of folks on this list, it's
> cheaper/easier/quicker to install a used engine if the crank is bad,
rather
> than rebuilding what they have.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of -Newmy-
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:14 PM
> To: Kerry Kinion; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] rod bearings
>
>
> Automatically you should be pulling the crank, machining it, and
installing
> the matching bearings.
> ie-> .010 under on the crank,= .010 over on the bearings. Otherwise
> ie-> your
> just looking at alot of wasted time for nothing. Cranks, rods and
bearings
> all have a very, very close tolerence. I've had it happen before where
> installing fresh bearings onto a crank or rod journal that wasnt even
making
> noise, ends up knocking due to the 3 or 4 thousandths of an inch from
> not machining accordingly. And with the time it would take you to put
> in new bearings anyways, the little extra time is far, far worth it..
> Newmy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] rod bearings
>
>
> > The kurtmetros site mentions only Clevit Part Number 'CB-1435P' Rod
> > Bearings - 6 Sets. Are these just the standard size ones - what if
> > I need different sizes after doing the plastigage thing? Does
> > anyone have these part #'s? Also, where do I get these bearings?
> > Is it a NAPA or Autozone available part?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Kerry ('93 MTX, 111k, fresh 60k)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:sho@paul-fisher.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 2:02 PM
> > To: Kerry Kinion; Shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] rod bearings
> >
> > www.kurtmetros.com is how I did mine. It took approximately 8 hours
> > of actual wrench time for me.
> >
> > What tranny? MTX or ATX? MTX is easier since the oil pan bolts are
> > easier to get to.
> >
> > Let me know if you have any specific questions after you read Kurt's
> > site. Where are you located?
> >
> > Paul L Fisher
> > '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 171K Build date 11/18/1992
> > - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back,
> > Holley 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar,
> > Performance-Plus Stainless Steel Y-pipe, '96 brake upgrade,
> > Proportioning valve plugs, Delrin
> > sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic
ATF.
> >
> > SHO Club member http://www.shoclub.com/
> > Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
> > Amsoil dealer http://www.paul-fisher.com/oil.htm
> >
> > Get $5 free from Paypal!
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
> > To: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:44 PM
> > Subject: [Shotimes] rod bearings
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Well, I hooked up with Josh S. this weekend and thinks the ticking
> > noise
> > > is rod bearings. Question is: Is there any links to step by step
> > > instructions (w/pictures ideally) for replacing rod bearings? I
> > > couldn't find anything on ShoTimes.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Kerry
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