[Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too

Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:09:11 -0700

Actually, I agree in principle, but if the factory screwed up your SHO and
installed a bar not to spec, you'd be ticked to be beaten by someone with
the right bar.  Starting in 93 the bars were all over the map, that doesn't
mean they're right.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com>
To: "sho2go" <srfdude@cox.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too

> That's not the point. I would know that I upgraded my factory RSB to a 26
> mm.
>
> Paul L Fisher
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "sho2go" <srfdude@cox.net>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too
>
>
> > Re: the rear ASB, I believe Ford spec'ed the 26mm rear until '95, when
> they
> > softened the suspension for the boulevard ride.  So how would the
> inspectors
> > know, if a 26 mm bar was in there, that it wasn't original?
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
> > To: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too
> >
> >
> > > I'm not an SCCA racer, so I don't know what happens during tech
> > inspection.
> > > If you bring a car to an event and claim it to be stock, but actually
> had
> > > installed some modifications and failed to mention them, what normally
> > > happens?  Let me use two simple examples.
> > >
> > > 1)  96 brake upgrade covered by stock slicers.
> > > 2)  26mm rear ASB
> > >
> > > It would be easy to detect that the parts weren't stockers IF one
> actually
> > > takes the time to measure those parts.  But do they actually look for
> > > cheaters, or is it really more a matter trust and any inspection is of
> > > safety flavor?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Carl Prochilo
> > > 92 Ultra Red Crimson
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
> > > To: "Robert Bruce" <rbruce@bellatlantic.net>
> > > Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > Subject: [Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too
> > >
> > >
> > > > I guess this is a variation of "if a tree falls in a forest
> > > > and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make any
> > > > noise?"  :)
> > > >
> > > > Actually, cheating is cheating, but it only carries a
> > > > penalty if someone is caught.  The cheater always knows it
> > > > happened, so there was some "noise" and someone was there to
> > > > witness it.  How that person deals with that knowledge
> > > > depends on their own moral code.
> > > >
> > > > Smokey Yunick was the ultimate person to push the rules, and
> > > > yes, cheat knowingly.  And it still goes on all the time
> > > > with people that think they need that edge.
> > > >
> > > > Rule books keep getting thicker as people find ways to
> > > > interpret the rules in different ways, and sanctioning
> > > > organizations have to more closely define what is and is not
> > > > allowed.  That is why entire buildings are filled with law
> > > > books!
> > > >
> > > > I once tried to buy the only Nova to run Trans-Am.  They
> > > > wanted too much money, but I did talk to the guy that bought
> > > > it.  It still had the same motor from when it ran in 66-68.
> > > >   the "302" days.  The motor was an all-out cheater 350
> > > > motor, but the car was never fast enough, even with the
> > > > bigger motor (probably because of inferior drivers/prep) to
> > > > get protested.  And so it goes.
> > > >
> > > > Don Mallinson
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Robert Bruce wrote:
> > > > > As for motorsports, cheating isn't cheating until you get caught.
> Up
> > to
> > > > > that point it is only creative interpretation of the rules.  If it
> > > wasn't
> > > > > for each racer's interpretation of the rules, the sanctioning
bodies
> > > > > wouldn't need inspectors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert Bruce
> > > > > 93 atx
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