[Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too

Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:54:40 -0400 (EDT)

Well, the 96 brakes wouldnt be a backdate...

Ian

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Paul L Fisher wrote:

> Nope. I got that from the head SCCA rules guy. Same with '96 brakes.
>
> Paul L Fisher
> '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 175K Build date 11/18/1992
> - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back, Holley
> 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar, Performance-Plus
> Stainless Steel Y-pipe, '96 brake upgrade, Proportioning valve plugs, Delrin
> sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> To: "Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com>
> Cc: "sho2go" <srfdude@cox.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too
>
>
> > Why would the 26mm RSB matter? It came on an earlier car and I thought
> > that the rules allowed for one to backdate..?
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Paul L Fisher wrote:
> >
> > > That's not the point. I would know that I upgraded my factory RSB to a
> 26
> > > mm.
> > >
> > > Paul L Fisher
> > > '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 175K Build date 11/18/1992
> > > - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back,
> Holley
> > > 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar, Performance-Plus
> > > Stainless Steel Y-pipe, '96 brake upgrade, Proportioning valve plugs,
> Delrin
> > > sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
> > >
> > > SHO Club member http://www.shoclub.com/
> > > Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
> > > Amsoil dealer http://www.paul-fisher.com/oil.htm
> > >
> > > Get $5 free from PayPal! https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=P3XEFFBFUFKN6
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "sho2go" <srfdude@cox.net>
> > > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too
> > >
> > >
> > > > Re: the rear ASB, I believe Ford spec'ed the 26mm rear until '95, when
> > > they
> > > > softened the suspension for the boulevard ride.  So how would the
> > > inspectors
> > > > know, if a 26 mm bar was in there, that it wasn't original?
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
> > > > To: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:20 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'm not an SCCA racer, so I don't know what happens during tech
> > > > inspection.
> > > > > If you bring a car to an event and claim it to be stock, but
> actually
> > > had
> > > > > installed some modifications and failed to mention them, what
> normally
> > > > > happens?  Let me use two simple examples.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1)  96 brake upgrade covered by stock slicers.
> > > > > 2)  26mm rear ASB
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be easy to detect that the parts weren't stockers IF one
> > > actually
> > > > > takes the time to measure those parts.  But do they actually look
> for
> > > > > cheaters, or is it really more a matter trust and any inspection is
> of
> > > > > safety flavor?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Carl Prochilo
> > > > > 92 Ultra Red Crimson
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
> > > > > To: "Robert Bruce" <rbruce@bellatlantic.net>
> > > > > Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Shotimes] Cheating, was Annie goes solo too
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I guess this is a variation of "if a tree falls in a forest
> > > > > > and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make any
> > > > > > noise?"  :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, cheating is cheating, but it only carries a
> > > > > > penalty if someone is caught.  The cheater always knows it
> > > > > > happened, so there was some "noise" and someone was there to
> > > > > > witness it.  How that person deals with that knowledge
> > > > > > depends on their own moral code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Smokey Yunick was the ultimate person to push the rules, and
> > > > > > yes, cheat knowingly.  And it still goes on all the time
> > > > > > with people that think they need that edge.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rule books keep getting thicker as people find ways to
> > > > > > interpret the rules in different ways, and sanctioning
> > > > > > organizations have to more closely define what is and is not
> > > > > > allowed.  That is why entire buildings are filled with law
> > > > > > books!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I once tried to buy the only Nova to run Trans-Am.  They
> > > > > > wanted too much money, but I did talk to the guy that bought
> > > > > > it.  It still had the same motor from when it ran in 66-68.
> > > > > >   the "302" days.  The motor was an all-out cheater 350
> > > > > > motor, but the car was never fast enough, even with the
> > > > > > bigger motor (probably because of inferior drivers/prep) to
> > > > > > get protested.  And so it goes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don Mallinson
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robert Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > As for motorsports, cheating isn't cheating until you get
> caught.
> > > Up
> > > > to
> > > > > > > that point it is only creative interpretation of the rules.  If
> it
> > > > > wasn't
> > > > > > > for each racer's interpretation of the rules, the sanctioning
> bodies
> > > > > > > wouldn't need inspectors.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert Bruce
> > > > > > > 93 atx
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