[Shotimes] Interesting...porting the intake

Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:09:22 -0400

Well it is kidna hard to build 2 exactly identical engines, and then test
them out under the same conditions in 2 identical cars. I remember that my
family has always broken in any new car a bit harsher than the "gentle
driving" that the book calls for. and of the 2 vehicles that I got to drive
that were once new cars to my family both felt to be a good solid strong
engine.

I'll make it a point to break my 3.2 in hard when I build it up.

Bruce
94 Opal Frost MTX
93 Black ATX - winter beater then parts car :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Weidenbenner" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>
To: "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Interesting...porting the intake

> I remember more good things than bad thing when I was a teenager.
>
> Can you back-up your break-in feelings with a little scientific proof?
>
> John W.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com>
> To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; "'John Weidenbenner'"
> <johnjweid@earthlink.net>; "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Interesting...porting the intake
>
>
> > even though I've always bought used cars, and had plenty of hand me down
> > ones from my family, every one of the new cars my parents ever had were
> run
> > hard in the first 100 miles or so. I can remember a 91 Sable with a 3.8
> that
> > my father got as a company car. Well the first night he had it on the
way
> > home from the dealer, he couldn't resist taking it home the backway
> through
> > a fairly steep and windy mountain road. He had been in love with FWD
cars
> > cause of the ability to power out of corners so well. Well at the time I
> was
> > 14-15 and was riding home with him, but it was a constant mash the gas,
> then
> > let the engine brake the car befoer the turn. And many of these turns
were
> > rated at like 15-20mph. Then as soon as the apex of the turn was
reached,
> > mash the gas again to the next corner. Well this one stretch of roads
was
> > about 8 miles of that up hill in september in the Catskills of NY. He
> drove
> > the car lightly for the following day for about 200 miles on a family
trip
> > to visit my uncle in Vermont. The very following day he had the oil
> changed.
> >
> > The acceleration and power that engine produced is what hooked me on the
> > Taurus & Sable body way back when, and when that car was handed to me at
> 75k
> > for me to drive to and from High School, I can safely say that it sure
> felt
> > stronger than any 3.8 Sable or Taurus I have ever been in. I just had
the
> > oppertunity to work on a 92 Sable, 3.8 with 37k miles on it a few weeks
> > back. That car was old woman driven, and prolly "gently" broken in. Even
> > after a full tune, new motormount, tranny flush and fill, and a PS
flush,
> > that car still didn't feel as strong as that 91 I had in HS. I broke 2
> front
> > motor mounts in that 91 that I had in the first year of driving it.
Little
> > did my parents know how I really drove that car, loads of 0-60 runs from
> > stoplight run with my friends when we off the mountain, but never going
> over
> > that cause we were all "new" drivers and didn't want to lose our
licenses.
> > But that car was broken in hard, and it ran really strong.
> >
> > I really believe, you break in a car like its a got some power and it
will
> > feel like that all its life. You breakin like an old lady and the car
will
> > feel like one all its life. Right there could be the difference as to
why
> > some feel stronger than others.
> >
> > Bruce
> > 94 Opal Frost MTX
> > 93 Black ATX - winter beater then parts car :-)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > To: "'John Weidenbenner'" <johnjweid@earthlink.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:55 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Interesting...porting the intake
> >
> >
> > > Supposedly it is mostly the rings, followed by the wear patterns on
the
> > > bearings. For all of the articles that I save, the one I didn't was a
> Pat
> > > Bedard article in C&D in maybe the late '80s on this subject. He was
> > talking
> > > to a Ford engineer (IIRC) about break-in, and the engineer described
the
> > > "drive it like you stole it" method. The engineer brought up an
example
> of
> > a
> > > press fleet car (a GT 5.0....I think...it's been awhile!!) that was
> > flogged
> > > unmercifully. When Ford got it back, they said it was the
> > strongest-running
> > > GT that they ever experienced! They supposedly removed the engine to
> tear
> > it
> > > down to see if they could determine exactly why that was.
> > >
> > > Personal experience: My two brand-new SHOs were broken in this way (my
> > wife
> > > burned the tire on the'99 driving out of the dealership!!). Both the
'89
> > and
> > > '99 were strong runners in relation to other SHOs out there. In fact
> when
> > > the '99 had about 2K on it, it went to Atlanta for the Convention and
> was
> > > flogged at the track and dragstrip in 100-degree heat. After it got
> > through
> > > the full 10K to really loosen it up, it was the best (at the time)
> running
> > > Gen 3 SHO at the dragstrip (and yes, Kirk, at a couple of different
> > > tracks!!)
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of John Weidenbenner
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:20 AM
> > > To: SHOtimes
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Interesting...porting the intake
> > >
> > >
> > > What difference does that make? Looser bearings? More or less
> > > sealing/friction of the piston rings? "Bedding" in the engine block
> (like
> > > making the brakes work "better")?
> > >
> > > John W.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Nimz" <niks@dlogue.net>
> > > To: "Dave Kegel" <d.kegel@comcast.net>; "SHOtimes"
> > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Interesting...porting the intake
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think it is in how the motor is broke in.
> > > >
> > > > Paul Nimz
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