[Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:09:15 -0500
Yes, that's exactly it. Now that I think about it, we've had this
conversation before. And I never tried it then. I'll give it a shot
soon. I was off Friday afternoon so I was fooling around trying
to figure out where the noise comes form. Subframe bolts are
tight. I was bouncing the front end of the car all over with no
results. The neighbors probably thought I was nuts. So the
shifter makes sense.
I also found out a lot about my rear sticking caliper problem. But
that's a subject for another message. : )
Mike Wojton
Toledo, Ohio
-'95 White MTX
'96 Brake Upgrade
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
Donald Mallinson <dmall@mwonline.net> wrote on 12/12/2003 11:05:09 AM:
> Mike,
>
> Is there any chance this noise is more like the noise you
> get from a plastic straw pulled up and down in the plastic
> lid of a soft drink?
>
> If so, the culprit is the ROD shifter slide mechanism under
> the car. The noise happens when you get on and off the gas,
> even the slightest amount.
>
> Go under the car, find the shifter box hanging down under
> the console, Look up and you will see the slide mechanism.
> This gets dry/dirty. Spray it down with WD-40 or something
> similar to CLEAN it, and then spray with a lithium grease or
> something that will stick to keep it lubed for a while.
> This will need to be done about every year on a car driven
> regularly.
>
> Don Mallinson
>
> Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
> > Well, last night going home from work I really paid attention to
> > when it made the noise and what I was doing at the time. It does
> > sometimes do it when turning, but it's pretty quiet. It's very loud
> > when going straight and shifting gears.
> >
> > So I guess it could be the strut mount or spring afterall. I suppose
> > I should never have doubted you guys. : ) I have to do something
> > with the springs soon here, so I'll find out one way or another.
> >
> >
> > Mike Wojton
> > Toledo, Ohio
> >
> > -'95 White MTX
> > '96 Brake Upgrade
> >
> > Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com> wrote on 12/12/2003 03:13:56
AM:
> >
> >
> >>LOL I got pissed off at my Opal and just bought all new Moog front end
> >>stuff, but then never got to put some of it on. LCA's with ball
joints,
> >>inner and outter tie rod ends, front sway links (got them on the car).
> >
> > Come
> >
> >>spring it's new springs and struts, new TPR all around, PC'd subframe,
> >
> > and
> >
> >>anything else I might be able to replace in the suspension.
> >>
> >>Here is an off the wall thought as to the noise. Engine dampener
> >
> > failure?
> >
> >>Don't gas charged thing like that make wier noises when they are
toast.
> >>Under acceleration might make enough noise to reverb into the pass
> >
> > cabin.
> >
> >>I'm outta ideas :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>Bruce Malachuk
> >>
> >>94 Opal Frost MTX
> >>
> >>93 Green MTX winter beater
> >>
> >>93 Black ATX stripped for spare parts
> >>
> >>95 Sliver Frost SE (SLO) waiting for it's AX4S SHO tranny
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> >
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> >
> >>On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> >>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:25 PM
> >>To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> >>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
> >>
> >>Yeah, well, I have a clunking too. That's probably the end links. I
> >
> > added
> >
> >>that to the ever-growing list. ; )
> >>
> >>
> >>Mike Wojton
> >>Toledo, Ohio
> >>
> >>-'95 White MTX
> >> '96 Brake Upgrade
> >>
> >>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com> wrote on 12/11/2003 02:21:05
> >
> > PM:
> >
> >>>I had a clunking noise from my front sway link after I got my AL
sfb's
> >>
> >>on
> >>
> >>>the car. Turns out the ball was popping outta the socket.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Bruce Malachuk
> >>>
> >>>94 Opal Frost MTX
> >>>
> >>>93 Green MTX winter beater
> >>>
> >>>93 Black ATX stripped for spare parts
> >>>
> >>>95 Sliver Frost SE (SLO) waiting for it's AX4S SHO tranny
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> >>
> >>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> >>
> >>>On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> >>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:37 PM
> >>>To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> >>>Subject: Re: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
> >>>
> >>>I know it's not a broken spring. Among other things, I changed
struts
> >>
> >>this
> >>
> >>>summer, so I know they're not. I changed mounts too.
> >>>With all the height I gained in the front end, I don't think it's the
> >>
> >>strut
> >>
> >>>mounts. Besides, it doesn't do it when turning, just when Starting
> >>>from
> >>
> >>a
> >>
> >>>dead stop and when shifting gears. It sounds like it's coming from
> >>>the passenger side. Had that motor mount replaced but that wasn't
it.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>I'll check subframe bolts. The only things I didn't change this
> >>>summer was
> >>
> >>sway
> >>
> >>>bar end links and bushings. Don't think it could be them though. But
> >
> >
> >>>maybe.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Mike Wojton
> >>>Toledo, Ohio
> >>>
> >>>-'95 White MTX
> >>> '96 Brake Upgrade
> >>>
> >>>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 12/11/2003 12:08:19 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I had a groanimg noise in my 93 when new. There was a TSB the adds a
> >>>
> >>>spacer
> >>>
> >>>>between the strut tower and strut assy. This eliminated the rubbing
> >>>>interference and the noise.
> >>>>
> >>>>Sometimes the spring will twist and chatter when turning and is
> >>>
> >>>sometimes
> >>>
> >>>>cured for a while by greasing the spring ends and rubber mates.
> >>>>
> >>>>Look for a broken spring.
> >>>>
> >>>>John W.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: <Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com>
> >>>>To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:38 AM
> >>>>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Well I haven't replaced them. I'm trying to track down a horrid
> >>>>>groaning noise I hear coming from the front end. Just had a motor
> >
> >
> >>>>>mount replaced and that wasn't it. The subframe was out when the
> >>>>>clutch was replaced this past summer and I never went back to
> >>>>>check the torque on the bolts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mike Wojton
> >>>>>Toledo, Ohio
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-'95 White MTX
> >>>>> '96 Brake Upgrade
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com> wrote on 12/11/2003
> >>>>>11:10:09
> >>>
> >>>AM:
> >>>
> >>>>>>No problem. Hehe but you need some AL SFB's, everyone needs AL
> >>>>>>SFB's
> >>>
> >>>:-)
> >>>
> >>>>>>Make sure that you recheck the TQ on the subframe bolts after
> >>>
> >>>driving
> >>>
> >>>>>around
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>for a week or so. I have seen instances where stock, delrin, and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>aluminum
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>bushings have the SF bolts loosen up a little after driving
> >>
> >>around.
> >>
> >>>They
> >>>
> >>>>>>loosen after settling into place, so about 200 miles is a good
> >>>
> >>>number to
> >>>
> >>>>>>re-TQ the bolts. Just like lugnuts, which reminds me I gotta
> >>>>>>re-TQ
> >>>
> >>>my
> >>>
> >>>>>snow
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>rims
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Bruce Malachuk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>94 Opal Frost MTX
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>93 Green MTX winter beater
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>93 Black ATX stripped for spare parts
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>95 Sliver Frost SE (SLO) waiting for it's AX4S SHO tranny
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:48 AM
> >>>>>>To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> >>>>>>Subject: RE: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No, stock. Thanks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Mike Wojton
> >>>>>>Toledo, Ohio
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>-'95 White MTX
> >>>>>> '96 Brake Upgrade
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com> wrote on 12/11/2003
> >>>
> >>>10:44:05
> >>>
> >>>>>AM:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yup. Less your doing AL SFB's then I tq them down to 100-110
> >>>>>>>ft/lb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Bruce Malachuk
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>94 Opal Frost MTX
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>93 Green MTX winter beater
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>93 Black ATX stripped for spare parts
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>95 Sliver Frost SE (SLO) waiting for it's AX4S SHO tranny
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Behalf Of Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:16 AM
> >>>>>>>To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> >>>>>>>Subject: [Shotimes] subframe bolts torque
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>What's the torque spec for the rear subframe bolts? My
> >>>>>>>service cd only
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>has
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>the front, at 55-75 ft/lbs. The same?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Mike Wojton
> >>>>>>>Toledo, Ohio
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>-'95 White MTX
> >>>>>>> '96 Brake Upgrade
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
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