[Shotimes] 80mm MAF failure, ~$price? (HELP)
Ron Porter
ronporter@prodigy.net
Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:31:52 -0500
Memory is hazy here, but one of the 80mm MAFs out there has a straight
housing like the stock 55mm, and if that step-down ring is removed, it woks
on the stock airbox.
FWIW, I have the conical and the SS Can on mine, but the problem I see with
the K&N conical is that you need a Can or some other setup to get cold air
from the fenderwell. Given my druthers, a stock airbox with a K&N panel
should work just fine if it can still be used.
Ron Porter
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bill Murray
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:06 PM
To: SHOTimes
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] 80mm MAF failure, ~$price? (HELP)
The 80mm is just like the 77mm, it has a "velocity stack" that is part
of the MAF body, and is what the cone filter bolts too. There is no way
to remove it to get it to fit the stock airbox. Also the 80mm is
plastic, which should help with heat soak, whereas the 75 is metal, as
well as the 77.
Bill Murray
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:18 PM
To: 'Johnsho92'; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] 80mm MAF failure, ~$price? (HELP)
75mm fits the stock airbox, IIRC, and the 80mm needs another filter.
Although I recall someone removing the step-down ring from a stock
airbox
and the 80mm fits it......
Go with the 75mm. The sizes are not an airflow, but a level of airflow
metering precision. The 75mm is fine, and there is not any advantage to
the
bigger MAF on an n/a SHO.
Ron Porter
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnsho92 [mailto:john_sho92@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:12 PM
To: Ron Porter; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] 80mm MAF failure, ~$price? (HELP)
Great, I'll look into this. I might end up getting
it to simplify my setup.. :)
Lastly, can someone confirm the pricing or where I can
get a good deal?
and should I go with 75mm Pro-M or 80mm Pro-M? Big
difference? I guess not.. :)
Thanks
-John
--- Ron Porter <ronporter@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Right here:
>
> http://pro-flow.com/
>
> Price for the 75mm is at $222 now. I'm sure that
> Dave will chime in, but I
> recommend this route, also. I have had an LPM/80mm
> in the past that worked
> fine for me, and this current '94 had an LPM/80mm
> setup that ran alright,
> but it now has a calibrated 80mm (calibrated by Pro
> Flow) that does not
> require a chip. This setup runs better.
>
> I have UDPs and the idle is OK. IMHO, I cannot see
> the value of any chip or
> LPM in a SHO, unless it has serious power adders
> that require it. To run an
> LPM just to run the MAF is not worth it. In the "old
> days" (10-12 years
> ago), the only MAF options were the C&L 73mm at
> around $200 (inconsistent
> but cheap), the calibrated Pro-M 77mm (very nice,
> but pricey at $575 or so,
> IIRC). The LPM/80mm setup was cheaper than the 77mm,
> and worked as
> well......IF you were lucky and got the LPM set up
> right.
>
> With the advent of the SHO-specific-calibrated MAFs
> that don't need a chip,
> to me the LPM/80mm MAF combo is outdated and
> needlessly complex for a
> basically stock SHO. Now, if you have serious power
> adders and need an LPM
> anyway, then it isn't as much of a big deal to run
> the 80mm MAF. Of course,
> Pro-Flow also sells a calibrated 80mm MAF that
> doesn't require an LPM.
>
> IMHO, all that other stuff about higher idle,
> butterflies opening sooner,
> etc on the LPM just isn't of value on a stock SHO.
> Plus, no LPM means
> there's one less thing to cause problems!!
>
> Ron Porter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Johnsho92
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:18 PM
> To: Dave Kegel; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 80mm MAF failure, ~$price?
> (HELP)
>
>
> Where to buy the Pro-M? and is the pro-M 75mm that
> much better? isn't there an pro-M 80mm too? Just
> curious what your experiences and opinion were.
> Thanks Dave.
>
> Lastly, why do you dis-like the 80mm MAF and LPM?
> Cons? Pros? What about my other features, like
> adjusting richness / leaness, or my 1000K rpm idle(I
> have UDPs), and the tip-in on gas-pedal, etc...
> dunno
> what else it does.. :)
>
> Thanks Dave.
>
>
> --- Dave Kegel <d.kegel@comcast.net> wrote:
> > My advice is to dump the 80mm MAF and LPM and buy
> > the Pro-M 75 for ~$180.
> > Sell the MAF and LPM on EBAY and you'll never look
> > back.
> >
> > Unless you're running a blower, no one should be
> > messing with the 80mm and
> > LPM anymore. The Pro-M is cheaper and makes as
> much
> > or more power.
> >
> > My $.02.
> >
> > Dave Kegel
> >
> > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 11
> > > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:46:59 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: Johnsho92 <john_sho92@yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] 80mm MAF failure,
> ~$price?
> > (HELP)
> > > To: Al Fitz <alfitz@alfitz.com>
> > > Cc: _SHOtimes <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > >
> > > yes I am, that's the only thing I didn't really
> > change
> > > out to test... Could it tbe problem? What in a
> > K&N
> > > filter would cause such symptoms like power
> surge?
> > > It's decently clean and such... Thansk Al for
> > your
> > > comments..
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