[Shotimes] RE: 22/25 Sway Bar Combination

[Ron Porter]

Frankly, IMNSHO, folks who claim that they feel a 2mm bar change difference
on the street are the same folks that will swear that more intake noise
gives them more HP!!

I have a few constant-radius (man, that is unusual!!) off-ramps, and I never
felt a difference going from the stock bamboo sticks on my '95 to the 224/26
setup, nor did I feel a difference when I went from the stock 24/23 setup on
this '94 to the 24/26 setup. Yeah, the stiffer feel over bumps shows up, but
cornering gains just ain't there.

Both cars had Eibachs. The '95 with Konis/AL SFBs/H-brace, this '94 with
Tokicos/ SFCs/AL SFBs. Tires mattered more than anything. 

The track difference may matter, as I'll find out at Thunderhill, but I
doubt that the street stuff will show the 24-to-22 difference.

24/26 worked fine on the stock '89-'90s, and it has worked on Gen 2s for me.
It will be no BFD for them to drop in the 22mm during the clutch job, so
we'll see.

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: Leigh Smith [mailto:leighsm@comcast.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:04 PM
To: Ron Porter; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: 22/25 Sway Bar Combination


Ron;
You may want to try the 22/25 mm bar setup for the street. The cop car rear
bar setup is only roughly 20% softer in roll than the 24/26 bar setup. It
got rid of what I considered an annoyingly stiff rear bar. It had too much
wheel hop / head snap on certain conditions & bumps. Those kind of forces
upset the handling of the car. This is a very smooth ride & handling setup,
almost BMW like, and will absorb bumps in a bumpy turn without upsetting the
car. It has the exact same handling balance as the '89 24/26 bar setup or
the stock 94 20/20 bar setup. More than enough bar for the street, or
somewhat illegal speeds. Feels stiff enough for track use, and is more
compliant / supple at the same time. The cop car bar can be hard to find
though.
Trackwise whether it would be faster or slower, I can't say. You would have
to do a back to back test. I would bet on the increased smoothness and
increased driver confidence winning out over the older more skittish bar
setup, specially if you ever hit a bump. Don't get me wrong, it still feels
firm, and there is almost no measureable difference in how far the
suspension rolls. It just sucks up bumps better.
My .02.
Lee

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: Sway Bar ombinations was Re: [Shotimes] End links


> Yep, I agree. I like the 24/26 setup with my other mods.
>
> I do have a 22mm front bar that I traded for one of my spare 24mm front
> bars, so I'm going to install it when I do the clutch in spring, and see
how
> it feels with the 26mm rear bar.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of John J. Weidenbenner
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:59 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Sway Bar ombinations was Re: [Shotimes] End links
>
>
> Mike is correct and reflects the evolution of the group over the years.
>
> Many of those mtx cars eventually got the 24 front for the street. I've
> always cautioned atx cars that 26 rear addition was close to dangerous
> oversteer under some conditions. Autocrossers and trackers would prefer a
> different setup.
>
> The 24/26 with PU rear bushings and links and 16x7.5 225.55 makes my atx
> neutral to slight oversteer.
>
> John W.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "van Oss" <vanOss@centurytel.net>
> To: "Mike Kopstain" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "Kirk Doucette"
> <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] End links
>
>
> > That's interesting.  When I first joined the list a few years back, it
> > seemed the wide opinion was that the first mod (after airbox cone)
should
> be
> > 26mm rear bar.
> >
> > VO
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Sure, if you toss the 26 on a car with a small front
> > sway var and no other suspension mods, it might make it a little tail
> happy,
> > but on the same token, if you're the type of person that's going to put
> that
> > bar on an otherwise stock car, you might have bigger problems to be
> > concerned about.
> > ~ Mike
> > Midwest SHO
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