[Shotimes] Re: spring and struts replacement

Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:10:01 -0500

But we all know that... every other speaker brand is better.

David P

95MTX

~
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Nottingham" <nottingham@alltel.net>
To: "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 16:48
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: spring and struts replacement

> MTX subs have good bass ;-)
>
> Ron N. - Dalton, GA
> 90 SHO
> "It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> To: "'Dave Kegel'" <d.kegel@attbi.com>; "'David P'"
> <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>; "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: spring and struts replacement
>
>
> > Yeah, but it beats ATX vs. MTX and Miller Lite vs. Bass Ale. We all know
> > which is better.
> >
> > (MTX and bass)
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Kegel [mailto:d.kegel@attbi.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:26 PM
> > To: ianf@eden.rutgers.edu; David P; 'SHOtimes'
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: spring and struts replacement
> >
> >
> > Lot's of us have done it your way Ian (i.e., force the knuckle (which is
> > attached to the LCA) off the bottom of the strut, then unbolt the top of
> > the strut and remove it).  It's a pointless argument.
> >
> > Dave Kegel
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> > To: "David P" <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>; "Ian Fisher"
> > <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>; "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: February 05, 2003 12:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: spring and struts replacement
> >
> >
> > > I am not even suggesting that the Taurii that I've worked on are
> > > decrepit and poorly maintained either. I have TPR bushings and AL SF
> > > bushings on my personal 93 and I had full poly on my 94. I don't know
> > > why everyone is having all of these problems when I can do it so
> > > easily and quickly.
> > >
> > > Maybe I should demonstrate at the next convention? :)
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> > >
> > > > Remove the LCA from the knuckle, then you can push the knuckle down
> > > and off
> > > > of the strut.
> > > >
> > > > I've never found a front suspension that would freely drop down that
> > > far
> > > > without torqueing the crap out of it, but then I've never worked on
> > > > a
> > > Gen1,
> > > > either, and I've also never worked on a decrepit Taurii or Sable,
> > > since I
> > > > maintain the vehicles my extended family drives fairly well. I can
> > > see one
> > > > with worn-out bushing coming off easily, but I've leveraged 200Lbs
> > > > on
> > > a
> > > > six-foot long 2x4, between the LCA and the subframe, and the
> > > suspension
> > > > obviously does not want to go that far. Maybe you've got special
> > > Taurii with
> > > > extended travel suspension or something where you reside.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > David P
> > > >
> > > > 95MTX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> > > > To: "'David P'" <jpotter8@bellsouth.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> > > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 19:48
> > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: spring and struts replacement
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have Al SF bushings and have removed the front struts on many
> > > SHO's
> > > > > countless times and have never had a problem hammering down on the
> >
> > > > > spindle.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as difficulty in reattaching the strut spring assembly, I
> > > > > was referring to attaching it to the car with the
> > > > > spindle/brakes/rotors
> > > all
> > > > > attached. It isn't light to do it that way. However, if you are
> > > removing
> > > > > it that way, because you couldn't do it separately, how are you
> > > managing
> > > > > to reinstall it separately?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David P
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:46 PM
> > > > > To: 'SHOtimes'
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: spring and struts replacement
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For those of us that maintain all the rubber components in the
> > > > > front suspension, hammering down the spindle does not work, at
> > > > > least on
> > > the
> > > > > five different Taurii/Sables that I've maintained, the suspension
> > > does
> > > > > not want to go down that far, even when leveraging a 6 foot 2x4 on
> > > the
> > > > > torque arm. Maybe if all the bushings were worn out it could be
> > > done.
> > > > > With aluminum SFB's, TPR LCA bushings, and good condition LCA,
> > > > > it's
> > > just
> > > > > not gonna happen without a lot of sweat, and the point here is to
> > > make
> > > > > the job as easy as possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as lifting the strut and spring back into the tower, they
> > > are not
> > > > > that heavy. I've done it with one hand on the strut, balancing the
> >
> > > > > spring on it's perch, and the other on a jack many times. I by no
> > > means
> > > > > have stupendous upper body strength. You do this first, THEN
> > > > > attach
> > > the
> > > > > knuckle back to the strut.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > David P
> > > > >
> > > > > 95MTX
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> > > > > To: "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:39
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Re: spring and struts replacement
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > And how do you lift an entire knuckle/strut assembly back onto
> > > the car
> > > > >
> > > > > > that weighs more than I care to remember? I have never needed to
> >
> > > > > > remove the LCA bolt to remove the front struts. I simply hammer
> > > down
> > > > > > on the spindle to pop the strut out and push down on the LCA
> > > > > > with
> > > a
> > > > > > prybar. The top 3 nuts at the top are unfastened last.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alan Fanning
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:28 AM
> > > > > > To: SHOtimes
> > > > > > Subject: [Shotimes] Re: spring and struts replacement
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or the LCA to subframe bolt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     Alan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To get out the front springs, it does help to remove the LCA
> > > from
> > > > > > > the knuckle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tech states to replace the LCA pinch bolt, and probably the
> > > strut
> > > > > > > pinch bolt as well. I'd only replace the LCA pinch bolt, and
> > > then
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > if the crush nut does not seem to apply enough force on the
> > > > > > > bolt (and even then, I usually take a mallet to the nut and
> > > > > > > crush it
> > > a
> > > > > > > bit more to provide good torque on the bolt).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David P
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