[Shotimes] RE: supercharging

Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:55:07 -0500

I also reiterate my comment about a blown SHO as being a 3rd or 4th
car......meaning it's not one that I want as my primary transportation, nor
my backup. It is a toy, and "down time" will be expected.

Nothing against wanting/owning a supercharged SHO, but (1) it better not be
your only car, (2) the owner needs to be mechanically competent.....or have
a LOT of disposable cash, and (3) needs to understand that many other cars
can deliver much more performance for a lot less money, but wants a hot SHO
regardless of that reality.

Ron Porter

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From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Timothy Tyner
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:37 PM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Fw: RE: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

Well, it defintely is not all sorted out, but I am getting there.

And I do not know how you drive on the highway Ron (well actually I do, and
that was with your rods knocking loud enough to hear in the next county!),
but how Tony and I were driving the other night could be described as
anything but easy!  As far as the weak links, third gear is new, and the
halfshafts should be thought of fuses anyway, they are cheaper than trannies
 and much easier to replace!:D

Toolman

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From: Ron Porter
Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:30:56 PM
To: Timothy Tyner; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

If you got lucky and got one that was well sorted out, you are in good
shape. I stand by my "next weakest link" comment though. Start beating on it
in nice weather and more will show up. Pure highway, as well as snow
driving, are very easy on a car.

When you get in to modding cars, you begin to appreciate what a great job
the car mfrs do!!

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Timothy Tyner
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:48 PM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Fw: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

I drive my boosted SHO all the time, even in the snow. No problems, and the
quaife gets better traction thant the closer to stock SHO's I have! Not
that I recommend a boosted SHO as a daily driver, but there is no reason it
can't be. Had mine 3 weeks and have put 4k miles on it.

Toolman

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From: Ron Porter
Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:10:34 AM
To: Michael Humbert
Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

Performance mods are just a way to find the next-weakest link in the car. A
lot of it is defining what your end goal is.

Stash at least half of your signing bonus into a long-term investment, and
forget about it. Then play with the rest.

Personally, even if I somehow got the desire to supercharge a SHO, it would
be as my 3rd or 4th car, not anything that I had to rely on for a daily
driver or a dependable backup.

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Humbert [mailto:humbem@rpi.edu]
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:56 PM
To: 'Ron Porter'
Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

Wow, 15-20K is a bit excessive for the end goal!! I'm definitely under
the impression that I should stick to some tamer mods. I figured there
was more to adding a supercharger than I would like, but I really had no
idea of the extent of the things that should be considered. I'm sure
somewhere down the line I'll get the chance to transform my car into a
beast, but I should probably wait until I have the funds to do so.
Signing bonuses do evil things to one's mind......

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:01 PM
To: Michael Humbert
Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

With 159K, you should also plan on a total engine rebuild before even
thinking about a blower.

Unless you are able to do 90%+ of this work yourself, plan on $15-20K.
If
you can do virtually all of the work, plan on at least $10K.

Even adding a Quaife really entails rebuilding the trans. This is
$2,500-$3,000 right there, not counting the tranny R&R if you don't do
it
yourself.

I would recommend doing a good suspension and brakes (including springs,
struts, sway bars, all new bushings), a good exhaust, underdrive
pulleys,
the Quaife with a tranny rebuild, and forget the MAF or a chip. Also get
some wider wheels and good tires. All of this stuff will run $6K or
better
as it is. This will improve the handling and performance, proving a good
bang for the buck.

All of the above should be done prior to considering a blower
installation,
anyway.

The last is a MAF, and is doesn't add much. I would go with a Pro-M and
forget a chip.

After doing all of the above, then consider the additional $10K+ for an
engine rebuild and a blower setup.

Ron Porter

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From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Michael Humbert
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:36 PM
To: 1badsho@mail.tnh.net
Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

Upon consideration of all the advice given, I've determined that I may
be acting a bit naovely. I'm thinking that I should add a Quaife, a
better exhaust system, a larger MAF, and a higher performance clutch.
Then, after all of that has been completed, I will begin planning out
the installation of a supercharger, assuming I still have some money and
the desire to mess with my car anymore. Thanks for knocking some sense
into me!

Mike Humbert
90 titanium w/159K

-----Original Message-----
From: Donelson Don [mailto:1badsho@mail.tnh.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:15 AM
To: humbem@rpi.edu
Cc: shotimes@mail.tnh.net
Subject: supercharging

With what I know about Supercharged SHO's I dont recommend them unless
your A) totally proficent on working on your car B) the installer is in
your home town.

A super charged show is a hoot to drive. My car was probably on the
light end of HP as S/C SHO's go. I estimate I was about 360 HP +/-.

When you mod a car to the point of S/C you will potentially face
problems from a variety of areas. Blown clutchs, possibly blown motors
....... bad running motor , turned half shafts ..etc.etc.

This is a very expensive propostion. I most certainly would not have the
car as your daily driver.

Bottom line ; yes they are a blast to have ... but unless your very
proficent and plan to use this as your second car I would advise against
it.

dond
91 Super SHO
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