[Shotimes] RE: supercharging

Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:44:46 -0600

A turbo BMW?? Sorry, I've never seen one. Of course, none of my BMW-owning
friends are ricers.

Tim....you will learn....there is always someone who can spend less and
spank your ass. Sorry, but my level of being impressed does not extend to
SHOs versus.BMWs. When the day is done, you are still driving a Taurus.

Now, take one of your SHOs and build one up like the one you bought used for
pennies on what it cost to build.  No, I don't want your keys, I'll take the
keys of the BMW that you beat.

Don't fret too much, when I was your age I felt the same way. You will get
around to appreciating a good, quality product as time goes on.

Ron Porter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Tyner" <shospeed@bigplanet.com>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: Fw: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

> I was just comparing apples to apples Ron.  Who turbo's a SHO?  There are
a
> lot more turbo BMW's than turbo SHO's.  The second I see taillights from a
> BMW that cost less than my SHO, you can have my keys.
>
> Toolman
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Ron Porter
> Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:04:09 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
> Who puts a turbo on a BMW? Sorry, I'm not a turbo fan. Yeah, I would buy a
> factory turbo 911, but that's about it. Turbos on BMWs are quite rare. I
am
> familiar with mods for 911s, and for BMWs through what good friends of
mine
> do, and I won't get into that discussion here. Besides, older M3s are low
> 14-second cars, new ones are high 13s STOCK....you start from a different
> base.
>
> Dinan is a top-end aftermarket tuner. Take a SHO to Vadim, hand him the
> keys, and have him do a complete turnkey blower car.....THEN compare the
> price to Dinan.
>
> Sorry, BMWs have held resale very well wrt to used-car market. Look at the
> percentages, not absolute $$$. Even so, an '89 535i that listed for 2x the
> cost of an '89 SHO is now worth 5x the price of a used '89 SHO, and if it
> was cared for, it's tighter than the SHO ever was when new.
>
> As has been said here before.......don't confuse "best for the money" with
> "the best". A Ponderosa steak at $5.99 may be the "best for the money"
> compared to a Ruth's Cris or Morton's steak for $25-30, but it ain't "the
> best". SHOs have been BMW wannabes since the day the first SHO rolled off
> the line.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Timothy Tyner
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 5:53 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Fw: RE: RE: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> That is what I mean. Turbo kits for BMW's are not cheap. Even a Dinan SC
> is crazy expensive. If you think it is cheaper to modify an M3 than a SHO,
> I have some SHO mods to sell you. Also, unless it is an M, the resale
value
> on BMW's sucks.
>
> Toolman
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Ron Porter
> Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:51:30 PM
> To: Timothy Tyner; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
> No, why would I? There aren't any BMW turbos from the factory. Only one I
> can recall is a model for Europe-only back in the '80s.
>
> FWIW, I can maintain my 911 for less than a SHO. As I move into BMWs, I
have
> a few friends who are long-time BMW owners, and I can bet their
maintenance
> & performance upgrades are less costly than anything for a SHO.
>
> Plus, their cars (as well as my 911) have something that is very foreign
to
> SHO owners.......it's called "resale value".
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Timothy Tyner
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:38 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Fw: RE: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> Have you priced a turbo for a BMW lately?
>
> Toolman
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Ron Porter
> Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:28:38 PM
> To: Timothy Tyner; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
> Yes, but.....
>
> Other cars have cheaper performance mods, which also can have decent
resale
> if you pull them off.
>
> Other cars can get more bang for the buck in performance mods.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Timothy Tyner
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:44 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Fw: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> That is true of any car.
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Ian Fisher
> Date: Saturday, February 08, 2003 7:51:47 PM
> To: 'Michael Humbert'; 1badsho@mail.tnh.net
> Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
> but you'll
> never get the money that you put into it back.
>
> Ian
> More mods and maintenance than you can shake a stick at and still worth
> nothing.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Humbert
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: 1badsho@mail.tnh.net
> Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> Upon consideration of all the advice given, I've determined that I may
> be acting a bit naovely. I'm thinking that I should add a Quaife, a
> better exhaust system, a larger MAF, and a higher performance clutch.
> Then, after all of that has been completed, I will begin planning out
> the installation of a supercharger, assuming I still have some money and
> the desire to mess with my car anymore. Thanks for knocking some sense
> into me!
>
> Mike Humbert
> 90 titanium w/159K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donelson Don [mailto:1badsho@mail.tnh.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:15 AM
> To: humbem@rpi.edu
> Cc: shotimes@mail.tnh.net
> Subject: supercharging
>
> With what I know about Supercharged SHO's I dont recommend them unless
> your A) totally proficent on working on your car B) the installer is in
> your home town.
>
> A super charged show is a hoot to drive. My car was probably on the
> light end of HP as S/C SHO's go. I estimate I was about 360 HP +/-.
>
> When you mod a car to the point of S/C you will potentially face
> problems from a variety of areas. Blown clutchs, possibly blown motors
> ......... bad running motor , turned half shafts ..etc.etc.
>
> This is a very expensive propostion. I most certainly would not have the
> car as your daily driver.
>
> Bottom line ; yes they are a blast to have ... but unless your very
> proficent and plan to use this as your second car I would advise against
> it.
>
> dond
> 91 Super SHO
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