[Shotimes] RE: supercharging

Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:44:34 -0600

No actually I have some pretty serious oversteer with the current setup.
With the way the car handles, every time I get in it is a joyous experience.
The 24 bar is a big improvment.  There was just way too much swinging of the
ass with the stock 19mm front bar and the 26mm rear.  The car is a lot more
stable now, but still sticks to the road like glue.

Mike Kopstain
Midwest SHO Specialists
827 North Chestnut Avenue
Arlington Heights, IL 60004
www.MidwestSHO.com
Sales@midwestsho.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: "'Midwest SHO Specialists'" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "'John Miller'"
<jem@milleredp.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging

> I thought that your point was that the Taurus understeers like a pig. It
> will understeer like a pig forever and ever as long as you are running a
> 24mm Front sway bar.
>
> By the way, are we confusing grip with handling? In my book, good
> handling consists of being able to toss a car around without losing
> grip. A Slalom would be a good example. A car that can easily transition
> from straight line driving to sudden changes in direction without losing
> it is a decent handling car.
>
> A lot of people feel that good handling is the ability to take a turn
> quickly because they have wider tires. To me, that's just grip.
>
> It's all relative though and it depends on what you are comparing it to.
>
> Ian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Midwest SHO Specialists [mailto:SHOtimes@midwestsho.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:05 AM
> To: ianf@eden.rutgers.edu; John Miller; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> Ian,
>
> 24/ 26mm combo, poly bushings and endlinks, strut tower brace, 225
> series tires, tokicos, plugged bias valve 11.6" front rotors/ 10" vented
> rears (converted from drum!).
>
> All that does wonders to keep the car remarkably flat.  My car handles
> better then my bro's 94' Z28, although with a larger turning radius. : )
> My Mustang, would just be up and gone.  The wheels would stay firmly
> planted and the car would haul ass away.  It's quite a different
> experience than the typical fighting of the steering wheel feeling I get
> with the Taurus.
>
> My point was, for the same amount of money I spent making my car handle
> better, I could improve that Mustang the same amount and it would be
> better then the Taurus again.
>
> We all know that we are the types that are up for some kind of
> challenge. There are a lot of applications out there that are a much
> better base to start modding on than the SHO, but most aren't as fun.
> The SHO is a great car, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want my
> precious Saleen back. : (
>
> Mike Kopstain
> Midwest SHO Specialists
> 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> www.MidwestSHO.com
> Sales@midwestsho.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> To: "Midwest SHO Specialists" <SHOtimes@midwestsho.com>; "John Miller"
> <jem@milleredp.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
>
>
> > Understeer on a Taurus is easily cured as 1-2-3.
> >
> > Sway bars are where its at. Some year Taurii understeer more than
> > others (depending on sway bar combo)
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> > > Speaking as someone that owns a Taurus and someone that owned a Fox
> > body
> > > (sheds a tear) let me toss in my 8.75 cents.  The fox body is raw,
> > not very
> > > comfortable to drive, but fun as all hell.  Regardless of whether or
> > not the
> > > Taurus has a stiffer structure to being with, stock for stock, the
> > Mustang
> > > handles very well and the Taurus has more understeer than....
> > ummmmm....
> > > Something that has a lot of understeer. : > )
> > >
> > > With that said, the cars are for two different people.  The Mustang
> > is your
> > > raw go fast mobile, while the Taurus is your family luxury sedan.
> > > Or
> > at
> > > least that is what it was intended to be. : )
> > >
> > > Mike Kopstain
> > > Midwest SHO Specialists
> > > 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> > > Arlington Heights, IL 60004
> > > www.MidwestSHO.com
> > > Sales@midwestsho.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Miller" <jem@milleredp.com>
> > > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: supercharging
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Not to be a jerk, but why are SHO's so much better than
> > > > > mustangs?
> > 4
> > > > > doors/trunk space/fwd & rwd asside, what are the apples to
> > > > > apples comparisons  that make the SHO better?
> > > >
> > > > Stiffer structure (the SHO is quite stiff for a production sedan,
> > the Fox
> > > > cars are very floppy), slightly better material quality (yeah,
> > there's
> > > > still a lot of Ford in it, but there's also some fairly clever
> > details),
> > > > better suspension design (you can get better balance and more grip
> > out of
> > > a
> > > > SHO chassis than you ever can a Mustang with the stock four-link
> > rear
> > > > suspension), and so on.
> > > >
> > > > John.
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