[Shotimes] Shotimes digest, Vol 1 #1527 - 13 msgs
Jo S. Taner
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Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:20:24 -0500
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ATX OD (Steve Tatro)
2. Interior lights always on (Ian Fisher)
3. Radar/Laser Detectors (Jim and Debbie Leyden)
4. Re: Gen 1 Radiator Fans...was: Re: [Shotimes] A/C Fuse? (Epperly)
5. A/C bypass (Paul Nimz)
6. Re: Radar/Laser Detectors (Donald Mallinson)
7. Re: AMSOIL By-pass filter (Donald Mallinson)
8. Re: Radar/Laser Detectors (Jim and Debbie Leyden)
9. Re: EGR passages/CE light (Kevin & Cheryl Airth)
10. RE: slow sho, just driver? (Ron Porter)
11. RE: Should I destroy a 91+?? (Ron Porter)
12. RE: RE: [Shotimes] Should I destroy a 91+?? (Ron Porter)
13. RE: Radar/Laser Detectors (Ron Porter)
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Message: 1
Reply-To: "Steve Tatro" <stevetatro@att.net>
From: "Steve Tatro" <stevetatro_shotimes@att.net>
To: "Kirk Doucette" <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>, "Paul Nimz"
<niks@dlogue.net>, <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] ATX OD
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:54:40 -0500
So, Kirk, would you advise those who have to puts around city streets
going
30-40mph to use their OD button and keep the car from lugging,
extraneous
3-4-3 shifting, and just in general keep the RPMs up a tad (we're only
talking 1800-2000rpms in 3rd gear) ?
Thanks for your input.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Doucette" <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>
To: "Steve Tatro" <stevetatro@att.net>; "Paul Nimz" <niks@dlogue.net>;
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] ATX OD
> A worn out ATX car will lug just as much as a MTX. My 93 from years ago
> would stay in 4th with converter locked at 33mph . Not saying all do but
> they can be luged just as much.
>
> Correlation of Paul's (all AX4N ) has nothing to do at all with this.. and
a
> FPS AX4N is nothing more that a stock rebuild with a 18$ transgo kit.. its
> not like the 4s or axode trannys, it's a much different animal.
>
> Kirk J Doucette
> NESHOC President
> Stormtrooper-97 White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Steve Tatro
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:26 PM
> To: Paul Nimz; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] ATX OD
>
> Yes, and you also wore out an FPS rebuilt tranny, right? ;^)
>
> Not trying to make a correlation, but...
>
> I also like the OD button. I hate when I'm stuck going 35mph and my
tranny
> is lugging around at 1400rpms in 4th gear. This has to be good for the
> engine, as it's commonly thought that lugging (easy to do in the MTX if
> you're not careful) causes the rod bearing wear, as there's little oil
> pressure at those low rpms. Also, this would hypothetically save a lot of
> 3-4 and 4-3 shifts, so it should be good for the tranny.
>
> I just don't know.
>
> Steve
> Red/Black '93 with 163k miles
> Cincinnati, Ohio
> www.picturetrail.com/stevetatro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Nimz" <niks@dlogue.net>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] ATX OD
>
>
> > Yes but isn't it a good idea to keep the rpms up for oiling reasons?
> > Personally I love using the OD button, in town on the highway... I've
> damn
> > near wore it out on my '97. Get a FordChip to relive yourself of the TC
> > lock/unlock doldrums.
> >
> > Paul Nimz
> > '97 TR SHO
> > '93 EG mtx SHO
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Kegel" <d.kegel@attbi.com>
> > To: "Midwest SHO Specialists SHOtimes"
> <MidwestSHOspecialists@hotmail.com>;
> > <ribble@mindspring.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 3:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] ATX OD
> >
> >
> > > I disagree. The torque converter will lock and unlock whether you've
> got
> > it
> > > in 4th gear (overdrive) or 3rd (drive), so it does not do any good to
> keep
> > > it in third. You're just wasting gas.
> > >
> > > Dave Kegel
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Midwest SHO Specialists SHOtimes"
> > <MidwestSHOspecialists@hotmail.com>
> > > To: <ribble@mindspring.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: January 10, 2003 3:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] ATX OD
> > >
> > >
> > > > It is indeed better for the transmission to keep it out of overdrive
> > under
> > > > stop and go situations. In city driving, the tc has to lock and
> un-lock
> > a
> > > > fair amount and at those speeds (typically around 40mph) there is
> little
> > > > benefit from the OD gear anyhow. So it saves wear and tear.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Kopstain
> > > > Midwest SHO Specialists
> > > > 827 North Chestnut Avenue
> > > > Arlington Heights, IL 60004
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Message: 2
From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: <TechSHO@topica.com>, <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:04:42 -0500
Subject: [Shotimes] Interior lights always on
Sorry for the cross post
I just washed my car and now the interior lights stay on while the key
is in the ignition. Where do I begin with this one? It didn't do it as I
left the car wash, but after I stopped at the ATM on the way home and
restarted the car. No idea if there is any relation (wet wires=shorting
somewhere) or not..Perhaps my car is telling me not to use the ATM as
much?
This is the thanks I get for finally washing the salt off of her!
Ian
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Message: 3
From: "Jim and Debbie Leyden" <jndleyden@mindspring.com>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:37:35 -0500
Subject: [Shotimes] Radar/Laser Detectors
Being officially bored with he present thread of flame wars...
Let's try a different flame war!! (And give AL a break)
What type(s) of Radar/Laser Detector(s) do you have and what is your
opinion
of it?
What type do you think is best?
What is your best avoid a ticket story?
Jim
'93 MTX
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:42:03 -0500
From: Epperly <epperly1@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Gen 1 Radiator Fans...was: Re: [Shotimes] A/C Fuse?
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
The 89's had a resistor for two speeds.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Fourchy" <krazgeo@jps.net>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: Gen 1 Radiator Fans...was: Re: [Shotimes] A/C Fuse?
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:43:49 -0500, David P wrote:
>
> >Someone pipe in if the earlier SHO's used the resistor or transistor
trick
> >for speed variation rather than two motor windings.
>
> I think Gen 1 SHOs (MTX, natch) only have one speed. Seems like I read in
the Helms
> that it comes on below about 40 or so mph, and goes off above about 45 or
so. It's
> controlled by the IRCM.
>
> More than that you want, and I'll have to go get the book.
>
> George
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Message: 5
From: "Paul Nimz" <niks@dlogue.net>
To: "`V6 SHOtimes" <SHOtimes@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:04:16 -0600
Subject: [Shotimes] A/C bypass
What size belt is needed if the A/C compressor is removed from a 3.0L?
Thanks
Paul Nimz
'97 TR SHO
'93 EG mtx SHO
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:29:40 -0600
From: Donald Mallinson <dmall@mwonline.net>
To: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
CC: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Radar/Laser Detectors
Reply-To: dmall@mwonline.net
Oh lord, if you REALLY want to set Ron Porter off, just
start talking radar detectors.
I like the Valentine 1, like the ad says, once you live with
the arrows......
Ron Porter hates them, each to his own, but I can locate
WHERE the threat is with my VAl 1, and no other detector can
do that, besides, it has been proven time and again, that
the Val 1 is the best "detector" out there, if you covered
up the arrows, it would still be the best one.
Don Mallinson
Look out, INCOMING from the Porter man! ;)
Jim and Debbie Leyden wrote:
> Being officially bored with he present thread of flame wars...
>
> Let's try a different flame war!! (And give AL a break)
>
> What type(s) of Radar/Laser Detector(s) do you have and what is your opinion
> of it?
>
> What type do you think is best?
>
> What is your best avoid a ticket story?
>
> Jim
> '93 MTX
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:39:13 -0600
From: Donald Mallinson <dmall@mwonline.net>
To: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
CC: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] AMSOIL By-pass filter
Reply-To: dmall@mwonline.net
Ron,
You are entitled to your opinion, but a LOT of experts in
the industry know that Synthetic does help reduce wear in a
motor. It is just fine for SHO cams and shims. Nothing
exotic in the setup. If you knew oil you would know that
film strenth is what helps keep parts apart, and a good
synthetic is MUCH better in that respect than regular oil.
I like the better hot AND cold characteristics of synthetic,
and even with the cost of oil analysis, I can keep my costs
with quality synthetic about the same as using cheap dyno
juice every 3000 miles, and I don't have to crawl under the
car but about 1/3 to 1/5 as often, that means something to
me if not you.
Flame away, we will agree to disagree, but I believe in
synthetic and I have enough proof to convince me that I am
doing the right thing.
Better filtering is always a good thing, after all the other
costs of these cars (or any modern car you keep beyond
warranty) a puny 100 bucks or so for top notch filtering and
a few bucks extra for the best oil is NOTHING!
Don Mallinson
Ron Porter wrote:
> Yeah, and after spending the big $$$ (even as an Amsoil distributor), what
> was the gain?
>
> I adhere to my basic philosophy, which is to do oil changes "religiously'
> every 3K, and it doesn't matter WHAT the oil is........$.79/quart generic
> oil will work just fine.
>
> Ron Porter
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Message: 8
From: "Jim and Debbie Leyden" <jndleyden@mindspring.com>
To: <shotimes-admin@autox.team.net>
Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Radar/Laser Detectors
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:43:54 -0500
I guess I forgot to inclume my personal favorite...
I too have a Valentine!
And LOVE it
It paid for itself one hundred times over in the three years I've had
it.
and just to put things into perspective, I have owned about ten other
brands
and found them all poor including the escort and passport.
Jim
'93 MTX
Valentine1
Next best thing to owning a Judge!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
To: <shotimes-admin@autox.team.net>
Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Radar/Laser Detectors
> Oh lord, if you REALLY want to set Ron Porter off, just
> start talking radar detectors.
>
> I like the Valentine 1, like the ad says, once you live with
> the arrows......
>
> Ron Porter hates them, each to his own, but I can locate
> WHERE the threat is with my VAl 1, and no other detector can
> do that, besides, it has been proven time and again, that
> the Val 1 is the best "detector" out there, if you covered
> up the arrows, it would still be the best one.
>
> Don Mallinson
> Look out, INCOMING from the Porter man! ;)
>
> Jim and Debbie Leyden wrote:
> > Being officially bored with he present thread of flame wars...
> >
> > Let's try a different flame war!! (And give AL a break)
> >
> > What type(s) of Radar/Laser Detector(s) do you have and what is your
opinion
> > of it?
> >
> > What type do you think is best?
> >
> > What is your best avoid a ticket story?
> >
> > Jim
> > '93 MTX
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Message: 9
From: "Kevin & Cheryl Airth" <clubairth@cajunnet.com>
To: "Donald Fox" <taurusshoguy@yahoo.com>, <shotimeS@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] EGR passages/CE light
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:39:00 -0600
Don:
What is the number of your error code? You got good info from everyone
so
far. I also struggled with the EGR code and finally fixed it. DO NOT
apply a
vacuum pump to the DPFE. It will blow out the transducer. It is setup to
only measure a tiny difference in vacuum between the two input hoses.
Also
several people have found carbon deposits in the rubber hoses or up into
the
metal nipple it self on the DPFE body.
.
.
> I finally got around to removing the intake (for the
> second time) on the 95 to add a new thermostat and
> plug wires. > I also cleaned the EGR passages until I could not see
> straight!!!!
>
> BUT, I am still getting the dreaded CE light along
> with its attendant code for "insufficient EGR flow
> detected". I think the valve is doing its job as I
> just passed my emission test, and the car runs fine.
> Next guess from the helpful :) posts here is DPFE
> sensor.
> So.... where is the best place to find one, and what
> should I pay for it. How might I test the old one?
> Does anyone have one that they bought thinking theirs
> was bad and discovered otherwise?
> Other than that, the SHO still runs and looks good for
> 7 years old and 81k miles. Like many of us, I would
> like to drive something different and new, but have
> not seen anything yet that has convinced me to put up
> with car payments again :)
>
> Thanks in advance as usual.
> Don Fox Oxford, Ohio
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Message: 10
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "Shotimes@Autox. Team. Net" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] slow sho, just driver?
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:19:04 -0500
Yes, you will find a huge difference when you wind to 6,500-7,000. Don't
worry about it, that's what these motors are made to do. My '89 was
wound to
7K a minimum of twice a day, usually more like a half-dozen times a day,
every day for the 10 years and 180K+ miles I owned it. Tim Pavlik now
has
over 200K on it, and he doesn't drive any easier than I do. Since he
fixed
the leaking pan, I would be surprised if it even needs a quart between
3K
oil changes.
If you haven't ever wound it past 5K, you are missing out on the best
part
of the power curve!
Ron Porter
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ron DeReus
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:21 PM
To: Kevin & Cheryl Airth; Shotimes@Autox. Team. Net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] slow sho, just driver?
True, but the torque curve is laying down a little by then and that is
what
pulls, right?
Honestly, I know the thing will pull past 7000, but I've never had a car
that will do that before, and I'm not exactly comfortable taking it up
that
far very often. (Especially when Jim is telling me it's getting ready
to
spit out the power steering shaft! See other post.)
Thanks for the advice; I just need to get aggressive.
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Kevin & Cheryl Airth
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:41 PM
To: Ron DeReus; Shotimes@Autox. Team. Net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] slow sho, just driver?
Ron:
Maybe just wind it out a bit longer? The HP peaks at 6000-6200 rpm on
this
dyno chart from SHOtimes:
http://tinyurl.com/4bi0
.
.
> At the risk of totally embarassing myself, I have to ask... I was
following
> a newer Sentra and we did a 2nd gear, rolling 20-70mph on-ramp competition
> and it was basically a dead heat, he may have pulled me a little, but I
> definitely wasn't catching him. I'm not Mario Andretti or Mark Nunnally,
> and I only pulled 5000rpm and shifted, but is the new Sentra pretty quick,
> or is my SHO weak? (mechanically or humanly)
>
> Ron DeReus
> 95MTX
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Message: 11
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "Dave Kegel" <d.kegel@attbi.com>, <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Should I destroy a 91+??
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:22:21 -0500
Well, if down the road a bit, a Plus will go for $1-2K more than a
regular
'91, I can see folks sitting in their garages tackling that job. Even if
it
took a week of labor, that would be a pretty good return on your time
spent.
I could see someone getting a wrecked Plus, then transferring the bits
over
to a regular '91. Wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't happened
already.......of course, we wouldn't know, as nobody is gonna tell!!
Ron Porter
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dave Kegel
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:03 PM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Should I destroy a 91+??
I still say that you can go by the chrome trim around the windows.
There's no way someone would replace that. You'd have to replace both
quarter windows (a tough job) and remove the windows in all four doors
to replace the door window trim (an even tougher job). Ain't gonna
happen.
It's also pretty easy to tell if the holes in the trunk for the spoiler
are factory holes or not (yes, I know that supposedly SOME pluses came
without the rear spoiler).
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Porter
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:00 PM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Should I destroy a 91+??
Yes, but.......
The cold, hard facts are that there is no positive way to identify a
Plus, unless it has the Green paint code, or someone has the original
window sticker (quite rare, as most folks don't have it).
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Message: 12
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "Brad Corradi" <bcorradi@yahoo.com>, <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: RE: [Shotimes] Should I destroy a 91+??
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:37:58 -0500
Try the phone, it's worked well for me.
Ron Porter
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Corradi
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 1:37 AM
To: Timothy Tyner; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: RE: [Shotimes] Should I destroy a 91+??
I don't care I've sold alot of shit in my life and I don't give a shit
if Al
got all the Sho's in the world he still isn't very good at selling
shit. I
emailed him numerous times about an item and got only a response on the
first email. If you have that many customers get more help or tone down
your sales approach so you can meet the customer's needs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Tyner" <shospeed@bigplanet.com>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:11 PM
Subject: Fw: RE: [Shotimes] Should I destroy a 91+??
> Ron, aren't you on said forum,along with a number of very knowledgable and
> long time SHO owners? Guess I am an ignorant kiddie too since I have been
> there since the beginning. Dang, and just when I thought I was starting
to
> learn something about SHO's, seems I am ignorant. DOH!
>
> Toolman
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Ron Porter
> Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:51:43 PM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Should I destroy a 91+??
>
> .....otherwise just stay on the SHO Forum and
> the Taurus Club forums along with the other ignorant kiddies.
>
>
>
> Ron Porter
>
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Message: 13
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "Jim and Debbie Leyden" <jndleyden@mindspring.com>,
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Radar/Laser Detectors
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:48:09 -0500
Oh geez!!!!
Ron Porter
-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jim and Debbie Leyden
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:38 AM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shotimes] Radar/Laser Detectors
Being officially bored with he present thread of flame wars...
Let's try a different flame war!! (And give AL a break)
What type(s) of Radar/Laser Detector(s) do you have and what is your
opinion
of it?
What type do you think is best?
What is your best avoid a ticket story?
Jim
'93 MTX
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