[Shotimes] RE: [Shotimes] Driving in -10oF with 10w-30 oil

[Steve Tatro]

Hey, hey, hey!

Don't shoot the messenger.  I'm just trying to explain where people get
the ideas for using 10W-30.  Not endorsing the idea at all.

I just checked 2 owners manuals, the one for my wife's Rodeo and the one
for my sister's Civic.  Both indicate that 10W-30 is acceptable down to
0 degrees F.  I don't have a SHO manual to check.

Later, and thanks for the flame.  Luckily I had my fireman's hat on.

Steve Tatro
Red/Black '93 with 164k miles
Cincinnati, Ohio

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:sho@paul-fisher.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:20 AM
To: stevetatro@att.net; 'SHOtimes'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: [Shotimes] Driving in -10oF with 10w-30 oil


Flame mode on.

That is some of the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard. No wonder I
don't hang out on the SHO Forum.

"It doesn't drip down as fast". When the motor is turned off, the oil is
at it's 30 viscosity, just like my 0W-30 so we both drip just as fast.

"Less modifiers". Buy a good oil or change every 3,000 miles and this
won't matter.

"10W-30 is good down to 0 or so". Not according to my manual. It says
freezing is the cutoff.

Flame mode off.

Paul L Fisher
'93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 170K Build date 11/18/1992
- K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back,
Holley 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar,
Performance-Plus Stainless Steel Y-pipe, Delrin sub-frame bushings,
Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF. '00 Ford Explorer
XLT 5.0L V8 AWD Oxford White Clearcoat 34K Build date 11/19/1999
- Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, K&N Fuel Injection Performance Kit

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Tatro" <stevetatro_shotimes@att.net>
To: "'Mark D. Mallory'" <mmallory78@earthlink.net>; "'Tommy'"
<komit73@yahoo.com>; "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 07:58
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: [Shotimes] Driving in -10oF with 10w-30 oil


> It's very popular among people who read the SHO Forum to use the 
> 10W-30, at least in the warm months (or year round if you're in a warm

> enough climate).
>
> The reasons for the support of 10W-30 in non-freezing weather are as
> follows:  (1) It has a bit higher cold viscosity, so it has a better 
> chance of NOT all dripping down into the pan when the car sits, so 
> there's more oil immediately at the top end (cams, etc.) and (2) It 
> starts with a 10W base oil (instead of a 5W) so there are 
> theoretically less viscosity modifiers necessary to achieve the warm 
> 30 weight (20-point spread versus 30-point spread).
>
> Also, I believe the 10W-30 oil is considered a viable option down to 0

> degrees F.
>
> I'm just regurgitating what I've heard/learned.  I don't necessarily 
> agree or disagree with any of this.  Even if I did, I wouldn't tell 
> you my opinion, because it's worthless ;^)
>
> Steve "You'll never guess what oil I use" Tatro
> Red/Black '93 with 165k miles
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net 
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark D. Mallory
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:59 AM
> To: Tommy; SHOtimes
> Subject: [Shotimes] RE: [Shotimes] Driving in -10oF with 10w-30 oil
>
>
> **NOTE that oil selection is highly personal preference!!  Please 
> let's not start an oil war... again!
>
> First off why 10w-30 to begin with?  Especially in the winter months 
> you want that first number to be as low as possible.  The first number

> dictates how viscous the oil is when cold.  For northern states you 
> definitely want to keep at or below 5w-30.  Also, these engines were 
> made to run 5w-30 instead of 10w-30.  Unless you have a personal 
> reason for running 10w-30 you may want to consider switching.
>
> Second, starting first thing in the morning at 40o won't be a problem,

> starting outside after you get to where you're going may cause some 
> concern. The car will start just fine... may chug for a bit and not 
> sound too good for a couple seconds but she'll start.
>
> You might try turning the engine over for a couple seconds before 
> starting it.  Just floor the gas peddle and crank away.  Then key off 
> and start the car normally.  That should at the very least get the oil

> moving a bit to help lower the viscosity some.
>
> Mark Mallory
> Toledo, Ohio
> '95 SHO MTX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net 
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Tommy
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:20 AM
> To: SHOtimes
> Subject: [Shotimes] Driving in -10oF with 10w-30 oil
>
>
> Hello guys, it's obvious the deep freeze is here over the North East 
> region of the US. I was wondering if it ok to drive my SHO with 10w-30

> Castrol oil in it in this kind of weather (-10:F(-24:C))?. The car is 
> in a heated garage and will be started at 40:F and warmed up before 
> taking it out. Thanks.
>
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