[Shotimes] RE: [Shotimes] Driving in -10oF with 10w-30 oil

[Paul Nimz]

Seems the latest fad in synthetics is a 0w40 oil.  OEM in Europe in the big
name cars.

Paul Nimz
'97 TR SHO
'93 EG mtx SHO


----- Original Message -----
From: "sho2go" <srfdude@cox.net>
To: "'SHOtimes'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] RE: [Shotimes] Driving in -10oF with 10w-30 oil


> I disagree on the 0W, 5W part.  This is the improvement in technology that
> allows lower temperature flow, and with fewer VII's (viscosity index
> improver) than older oil.  This is due to improved base stocks, and
> particularly synthetics.  As has been said a million times, the biggest
wear
> under typical use is cold start.  Now the EPA Cafe requirements have led
the
> manufacturers to specify a lower ultimate viscosity (20 now) which I see
as
> problematic; its up to the oil manufacturers to come up with a product
that
> will work.  An example:  Mercedes uses Mobil1 0W-40 for its factory fills;
> before someone says its just big money paying MB or something equally
inane,
> remember MB is stuck with warranty claims if there are problems.  I
suspect
> this particular oil was produced with MB's specs in mind.  At any rate,
> there is nothing wrong with using a 0W or 5W oil in below zero weather; it
> makes perfect sense.
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> To: "Steve Tatro" <stevetatro@att.net>; "'SHOtimes'"
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: [Shotimes] Driving in -10oF with 10w-30 oil
>
>
> > Since I have had the bearing issues, and have listened to some other
> > opinions on the subject, I now use 10w-30 oil. I added a quart
yesterday,
> > when it was around 15 degrees or so. Yeah, the oil is a little thicker
> when
> > cold,, but the oil pump will still pump it, and I'm sure it hangs in the
> > bearings a bit better.
> >
> > Remember that the thin oil (0w, 5w) was developed primarily for better
> fuel
> > economy. It is also better for producing HP as has been proven on a
dyno.
> > Nothing wrong with it, but IMHO in modern high-volume, low-pressure oil
> > systems, 10w-30 seems like a better way to go on older engines in normal
> > temps (down to zero, with maybe colder temps overnight). If I lived in
> > northern Minnesota (this is hypothetical.....I would NEVER live
there!!),
> > thinner oil would be better for the subzero temps they see during the
day.
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steve Tatro
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:35 AM
> > To: 'Paul L Fisher'; 'SHOtimes'
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE: [Shotimes] Driving in -10oF with 10w-30 oil
> >
> >
> > Hey, hey, hey!
> >
> > Don't shoot the messenger.  I'm just trying to explain where people get
> > the ideas for using 10W-30.  Not endorsing the idea at all.
> >
> > I just checked 2 owners manuals, the one for my wife's Rodeo and the one
> > for my sister's Civic.  Both indicate that 10W-30 is acceptable down to
> > 0 degrees F.  I don't have a SHO manual to check.
> >
> > Later, and thanks for the flame.  Luckily I had my fireman's hat on.
> >
> > Steve Tatro
> > Red/Black '93 with 164k miles
> > Cincinnati, Ohio
> >
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