[Shotimes] was link now driver help

Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:15:37 -0400

Only one thing to add..

The instructors don't drive SHO's so they will tell you to go a lot deeper
that you would expect to. They don't have a clue how heavy the car is. This
happened to me at Summit Point my first time a few years ago, I stopped the
car told him to show me. So next time around MR Acura drove a bit too deep
and put it in to a huge spin.

Being your first time.. I would listen to Ron 100% he is very knowledgeable
and a good driver. A bit crazy but hey he's old so I let it slide :)

You will be in the touring or intermediate class, if you get an instructor
(not sure if they are having any) drive the car where you feel safe until
you feel its time to go faster. Also listen very good to the hand signals
portion of the meeting and you will be fine and have a great time.

And you can also ask some of the other guys to ride with you for
instruction, guys from our group will know the car a lot better than most.

Kirk J Doucette
NESHOC President
Stormtrooper-97 White

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Ron Porter
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 4:52 PM
To: 'Bruce Malachuk'; 'shotimes'
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Link to Sway bar info?

I dunno how to "crive" your car!!!!!!  ;-)

Very basically: Use the brakes in a straight line, use the gas pedal when
the wheel is turned. Well, it's OK to use the gas pedal in the straights,
also!!

You are better off scrubbing off more speed coming in to a corner, then
accelerate through it and out.

Use the brakes HEAVILY. Spend a minimum of time on the brake pedal. Brakes
are basically all on.....or all off. Gradual use of the pedal will slow down
your times, as well as cook your brakes (and brake fluid) much more quickly.

If you are in a curve/corner and you "think" you are going too fast, DO NOT
hit the brakes!! Preferable to maintain the gas pedal, or slowly accelerate.
At worst, GRADUALLY back off the gas. ANY sudden movement will "plow" the
front end, and a driving error will mean that we will have to hear more
about how a 24/26 combo sucks when it was really driver error (as it almost
always is).

Don't have a "death grip" on the steering wheel. Try to relax, and hold the
wheel lightly. You should be looking a few hundred feet ahead when on the
course......just like on the street.

When we take a tour around the track, and we sit I the driver's meeting, pay
attention to braking points, apexes, etc. Yeah, it won't mean much until you
get out there, but hopefully you remember some. Also, DON'T do what the car
in front of you is doing!! It is a natural tendency, but they may very well
be clueless.

And watch your rearview mirrors. When you get to a passing zone, let a car
(or cars) pass if they have been on you tail for at least 1/2 a lap.

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Malachuk [mailto:bmalach1@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 4:33 PM
To: Ron Porter; 'James F. Ryan III'; 'shotimes'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Link to Sway bar info?

So who out there is gonna teach me how to "crive" my car with a 24/26 setup
on the stock diff? I have no track experience, and need to learn the "right
way"

Bruce
94 Opal Frost MTX
93 Black ATX - winter beater then parts car :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "'James F. Ryan III'" <av8r567@optonline.net>; "'shotimes'"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Link to Sway bar info?

> OK, For you "24/26 haters", I'll quit beating around the bush........you
> guys can't drive it. Get your damn foot off the brake when you are trying
to
> turn. And get the hell outta my way, you're holding me up.
>
> I guess I didn't read anything more into Mark's comment than what he said,
> which was that 22/26 was a "pretty good day-to-day balance". Guess I
didn't
> see where he said anything against the 24/26.
>
> When you are at the Convention, and your driving experie4nce gets you into
> the Advanced group with Mark & I, we can see how your car reacts. What,
not
> going to the Convention and/or you don't run in the Advanced group?? Gee,
> your opinion is one that I respect from your vast knowledge and
> experience.......hey, tell you what.....go open up a can of
> shut-the-fuck-up.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of James F. Ryan III
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:20 PM
> To: Mark Nunnally; shotimes
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Link to Sway bar info?
>
>
> >I've found for most MTX SHO's, 22/26 is a pretty good day to day balance.
> >
> >mark
>
>
> Hah!!!!  I'm with you Mark.  I'd like to see that Porter-guy tell YOU that
> you don't know how to drive, just like he told the rest of us 24/26
haters,
> "it's not the sway bars you just don't know how to drive it."
>
> Hmmm...let me see, my left foot goes on this tiny pedal over here, and 1 2
3
> 4 5 R - I guess I'll pick "R" because I want to go "R"eally FAST, now if I
> want to turn left I press this little button on the steering wheel and
look
> out the rear view mirror...no, wait a minute...oh forget about it, I guess
I
> just don't know how to drive.  Which one is the 'Velocirator' and which
one
> is the 'Deccelaratrix'?
>
> Maybe 20 years from now (when I'm just as old as Ron) I'll be an excellent
> driver just like him.  Ahhhh, to dream.  You know, 'Rainman' claimed to be
> an excellent driver, too.  :^)
>
>
> Jim Ryan
> Wayne, NJ
> '91 Plus  all white/mocha with fiberglass hood, rod shifter, & rear
spoiler
>
> 255 Lph fuel pump, SHO Shop can & horn, 80mm MAF, S&B cone filter, SHO
Shop
> HiFlow Y-pipe & cat-back exhaust, SHO Shop LPM, SHO Shop underdrive
pulleys,
> SHO Shop HiRevs Jr clutch & steel billet LiteWeight flywheel, reinforced
> engine & trans mounts, SHO Shop TQ limiters, SHO NUT aluminum SFBs, FPS
96
> SHO front brakes, Carbotech F brake pads, Nooks full-body SFCs, Koni adj
> struts, SHO Shop linear springs, 24mm FSB, 26mm RSB, SHO Shop steel f&r
> STBs, Bridgestone Potenza RE-730 225/55-16, CATZ MSP fog lights, police
> grille
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> >[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Nunnally
> >Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 PM
> >To: shotimes
> >Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Link to Sway bar info?
> >
> >
> >Every car is different, with respect to tires, alignment angles, weight
> >(ATX's are different animals).
> >
> >There is no perfect combo for every application, if you like to auto-x
and
> >open track just get all the sizes and swap around depending on venue.
> >
> >I've found for most MTX SHO's, 22/26 is a pretty good day to day balance.
> >
> >mark
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