[Shotimes] VAPS problem & question

Bill Murray fordsho@cloud9grafx.com
Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:33:21 -0400 

I preferred the non-vaps in my 2 92's than I do the VAPS in my 93.  The
92s were still light while doing parking maneuvers, but not nearly as
light as the 93 is.  The 92s also firmed up at speed on their own, no
extra motors and things to help it along.  The thing I hate most about
the VAPs is when it pulses around a long sweeper (~45mph) like I take on
my street every time I leave my house.  The wheel likes to try and jerk
back to center around the curve and then returns to the place where I
pointed it to.  VERY(!!!) annoying.  I'm still debating about replacing
my rack instead of just the inner tie rods and putting in a non-VAPs
rack when I do it.

Bill Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Prochilo
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 1:27 PM
To: 'SHOTIMES'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question

Allrighty then, something new learned here.

For those of you that have both a VAPS and non-VAPS equipped SHO, which
do
you like better and why?

Cheers,
Carl Prochilo
92 Ultra Red Crimson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
Cc: "'SHOTIMES'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question


> introduced in 93. It's the same rack as the Lincoln Continental, VAPS
and
> all.
>
> Ian
>
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Carl Prochilo wrote:
>
> > Shotimes appears to be down at the moment, but I thought that VAPS
was
> > introduced in the 95 MY.  I will say that comparing the 95 and the
92,
there
> > is a world of difference in terms of feel.  The 95 seems much more
of a
toy
> > with the VAPS.  No effort at all to rotate the wheel.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Carl Prochilo
> > 92 Ultra Red Crimson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > To: "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>; "'SHOTIMES'"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:13 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> >
> >
> > > Yeah, I guess the best VAPS is one that you don't notice, and I
can't
say
> > > that I never noticed it on my '99.
> > >
> > > Still seems to be a needless complication, though.
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:16 AM
> > > To: Ron Porter; 'SHOTIMES'
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually the Gen 3 VAPS IMO is very good, at least better than my
'93.
I
> > > have disabled the strut part of the SARC though on the '97.
> > >
> > > Paul Nimz
> > > '97 TR
> > > '93 EG mtx
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 1:08 AM
> > > To: 'Paul Nimz'; 'SHOTIMES'
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > >
> > >
> > > This sounds like Leigh's situation, where it is "stuck" at high
boost.
> > >
> > > Mine just seems way overboosted at the low-speed setting (under 20
mph
or
> > > so, I believe). It still seems boosted more than I like at higher
speeds,
> > > but it does seem to back out some of the boost.
> > >
> > > Goofy system. VAPS and SARC were probably projects for summer
interns
with
> > > too much time on their hands!!
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:00 AM
> > > To: 'SHOTIMES'
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > >
> > >
> > > IIRC the Gen 2 VAPS is a 4 step situation with the most boost at 0
mph.  I
> > > would assume then that if the effort is very easy then you have
lost
12V+
> > to
> > > the VAPS system while not moving and it is stuck there.
> > >
> > > The VAPS relies on the VSS and the VAPS module for signal
processing.
The
> > > power flows through the ignition switch and through the interior
fuse
> > panel,
> > > fuse #5 on the '94 for power to the VAPS module.
> > >
> > > Paul Nimz
> > > '97 TR
> > > '93 EG mtx
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob and Anonda
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 7:44 PM
> > > To: Ron Porter; 'Leigh Smith'; 'SHOTIMES'
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, mine is a 3G SLO, but the VAPS is the same.  Mine doesn't
feel
like
> > it
> > > "kicks in" until at least about 40-45 MPH.  Nimz I'm sure knows
the
exact
> > > specs though.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > To: "'Leigh Smith'" <leighsm@comcast.net>; "'SHOTIMES'"
> > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 8:08 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > >
> > >
> > > > It's no help, but mine always feels to be on full boost on my
'94.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't the VAPS system at full boost at low speed anyway? It is
much
> > > lighter
> > > > than the steering was in my '95, which has the same system, I
believe.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Porter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > On Behalf Of Leigh Smith
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:01 PM
> > > > To: SHOTIMES
> > > > Subject: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My VAPS power steering on my 94 is apparrently broken.
> > > > It is always on full boost.
> > > > The steering has so little feel I can turn it with my little
finger!
> > > >
> > > > Even with the Helms, I cannot figure it out.
> > > > I have gotten it into test mode, and it will "firm up" during
testing,
> > > > but immmediately goes back to full soft after jumper removal.
> > > > Anyone else ever have any similar problem or any luck fixing
it?????
> > > > I can't figure out if it is the module, the actuator, the rack,
or
the
> > > > wiring.
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > > Lee
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