[Shotimes] VAPS problem & question

Bill Murray fordsho@cloud9grafx.com
Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:34:10 -0400 

I think I may have heard that at some point.  And I also think that it
was replaced by the previous owner, to try and fix the VAPs.  It
obviously didn't work though.

Bill Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Midwest SHO
Specialists
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:58 PM
To: Bill Murray; SHOTimes
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question

Bill, 

Depending on severity, that's actually a common symptom of a failing
VSS.

Mike Kopstain
Midwest SHO Specialists
827 North Chestnut Avenue
Arlington Heights, IL 60004
www.MidwestSHO.com
Sales@midwestsho.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Murray" <fordsho@cloud9grafx.com>
To: "SHOTimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question


> I preferred the non-vaps in my 2 92's than I do the VAPS in my 93.
The
> 92s were still light while doing parking maneuvers, but not nearly as
> light as the 93 is.  The 92s also firmed up at speed on their own, no
> extra motors and things to help it along.  The thing I hate most about
> the VAPs is when it pulses around a long sweeper (~45mph) like I take
on
> my street every time I leave my house.  The wheel likes to try and
jerk
> back to center around the curve and then returns to the place where I
> pointed it to.  VERY(!!!) annoying.  I'm still debating about
replacing
> my rack instead of just the inner tie rods and putting in a non-VAPs
> rack when I do it.
> 
> Bill Murray
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Prochilo
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: 'SHOTIMES'
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> 
> Allrighty then, something new learned here.
> 
> For those of you that have both a VAPS and non-VAPS equipped SHO,
which
> do
> you like better and why?
> 
> Cheers,
> Carl Prochilo
> 92 Ultra Red Crimson
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ian Fisher" <ianf@eden.rutgers.edu>
> To: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
> Cc: "'SHOTIMES'" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> 
> 
> > introduced in 93. It's the same rack as the Lincoln Continental,
VAPS
> and
> > all.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Carl Prochilo wrote:
> >
> > > Shotimes appears to be down at the moment, but I thought that VAPS
> was
> > > introduced in the 95 MY.  I will say that comparing the 95 and the
> 92,
> there
> > > is a world of difference in terms of feel.  The 95 seems much more
> of a
> toy
> > > with the VAPS.  No effort at all to rotate the wheel.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Carl Prochilo
> > > 92 Ultra Red Crimson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > To: "'Paul Nimz'" <niks@dlogue.net>; "'SHOTIMES'"
> <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:13 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yeah, I guess the best VAPS is one that you don't notice, and I
> can't
> say
> > > > that I never noticed it on my '99.
> > > >
> > > > Still seems to be a needless complication, though.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Porter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:16 AM
> > > > To: Ron Porter; 'SHOTIMES'
> > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually the Gen 3 VAPS IMO is very good, at least better than
my
> '93.
> I
> > > > have disabled the strut part of the SARC though on the '97.
> > > >
> > > > Paul Nimz
> > > > '97 TR
> > > > '93 EG mtx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 1:08 AM
> > > > To: 'Paul Nimz'; 'SHOTIMES'
> > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This sounds like Leigh's situation, where it is "stuck" at high
> boost.
> > > >
> > > > Mine just seems way overboosted at the low-speed setting (under
20
> mph
> or
> > > > so, I believe). It still seems boosted more than I like at
higher
> speeds,
> > > > but it does seem to back out some of the boost.
> > > >
> > > > Goofy system. VAPS and SARC were probably projects for summer
> interns
> with
> > > > too much time on their hands!!
> > > >
> > > > Ron Porter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:00 AM
> > > > To: 'SHOTIMES'
> > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IIRC the Gen 2 VAPS is a 4 step situation with the most boost at
0
> mph.  I
> > > > would assume then that if the effort is very easy then you have
> lost
> 12V+
> > > to
> > > > the VAPS system while not moving and it is stuck there.
> > > >
> > > > The VAPS relies on the VSS and the VAPS module for signal
> processing.
> The
> > > > power flows through the ignition switch and through the interior
> fuse
> > > panel,
> > > > fuse #5 on the '94 for power to the VAPS module.
> > > >
> > > > Paul Nimz
> > > > '97 TR
> > > > '93 EG mtx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob and
Anonda
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 7:44 PM
> > > > To: Ron Porter; 'Leigh Smith'; 'SHOTIMES'
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, mine is a 3G SLO, but the VAPS is the same.  Mine doesn't
> feel
> like
> > > it
> > > > "kicks in" until at least about 40-45 MPH.  Nimz I'm sure knows
> the
> exact
> > > > specs though.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > > To: "'Leigh Smith'" <leighsm@comcast.net>; "'SHOTIMES'"
> > > > <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 8:08 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's no help, but mine always feels to be on full boost on my
> '94.
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't the VAPS system at full boost at low speed anyway? It is
> much
> > > > lighter
> > > > > than the steering was in my '95, which has the same system, I
> believe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Porter
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Leigh Smith
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:01 PM
> > > > > To: SHOTIMES
> > > > > Subject: [Shotimes] VAPS problem & question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My VAPS power steering on my 94 is apparrently broken.
> > > > > It is always on full boost.
> > > > > The steering has so little feel I can turn it with my little
> finger!
> > > > >
> > > > > Even with the Helms, I cannot figure it out.
> > > > > I have gotten it into test mode, and it will "firm up" during
> testing,
> > > > > but immmediately goes back to full soft after jumper removal.
> > > > > Anyone else ever have any similar problem or any luck fixing
> it?????
> > > > > I can't figure out if it is the module, the actuator, the
rack,
> or
> the
> > > > > wiring.
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > > Lee
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