[Shotimes] RE:Lexol build-up on leather removal ?

Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:42:23 -0400

Wouldn't the denatured alcohol dissolve the adhesive backing on the carpet?
I'd be very cautious if I were to use this method.

Christian Andretta

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From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ron Porter
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:22 PM
To: ampman@ampmanaudio.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] RE:Lexol build-up on leather removal ?

Probably not a water-based substance. Try something stronger, with other
than a water-base. I wouldn't use a brush or steel wool, but just rags.

Might even try denatured alcohol, a gallon is about $7 at Home Depot.
Lacquer thinner is my "cleaner of choice" for non-sensitive parts, but when
I was attempting to de-stink the '95, I used denatured alcohol. The stuff
worked great for cleaning the carpet, and I even did the cloth/leather seats
with it.

Ron Porter

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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:15 PM
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Subject: [Shotimes] RE:Lexol build-up on leather removal ?

Well...so far I've gotten overwhelming reponses that Lexol is the best to
use....cant argue other's experience so that leaves me with a thus far
quandry of what the heck the Lexol "bonded" with on those seats to create
such a mess.....and a mess it was..no embellishing here folks, a mess of
sticky dark goo.   whatever it was also in no way responded to hot water and
Lexol cleaner and a pot scrubber pad...the 0000 steel wool seemed a safer
bet than experimenting with solvents....

so......seat covers seem to be in order right now...:)

thanks

k

Kirk Neal
Founder       Ampman Audio

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   1. Lexol build-up on leather removal ? (Ampman Audio)
   2. Re: intake parts (Bruce Malachuk)
   3. Re: intake parts (Bruce Malachuk)
   4. RE: Rear Tokico's on backorder (Ron Porter)
   5. RE: Lexol build-up on leather removal ? (Ron Porter)
   6. Re: Lexol build-up on leather removal ? (Chris "Zap")
   7. Re: Rear Tokico's on backorder (Carl Prochilo)
   8. Re: Rear Tokico's on backorder (sho2go)
   9. Re: Rear Tokico's on backorder (Ron Childs)
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From: "Ampman Audio" <ampman@ampmanaudio.com>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Shotimes] Lexol build-up on leather removal ?

I've used Lexol on leather for years, never had a problem. I used it on my
SHO leather (front seats)...tan color....here's the story:

I applied it as usual altho perhaps a bit more than normal to penetrate the
leather. Buffed it as usual

Within a few days I got a build-up of Lexol ..it "bunched up" in clumps and
remained sticky. It also attracted and absorbed every bit of dirt that came
its way.  The seats looked horrible.

Emailed Summit (Lexol)..was told to use its cleanser as Lexol is
water-based/soluble.

After 1 1/2 hours of HARD scrubbing using lexol cleanser/hot water..starting
with a coarse rag..then a kitchen pot scrubber(sponge with aggressive
scrubber backing)..nada....the Lexol was like sticky epoxy. Little if any of
it came off.

I then rsorted to steel wool....THAT finally got it off. It was also an
exercise in "careful"...

I've used many chemicals, substances, coatings in my life on everything from
leather to titanium...never have I seen anything like (supposedly water
soluble) lexol build-up.

If any of you have had similar experiences, I sure would like to know and
good leather treatment for my SHO. My Lexol products are forever getting
deep-sixed.

Kirk Neal
Founder       Ampman Audio

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Message: 2
From: "Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com>
To: "Kirk Doucette" <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>, "David Schultz"
  <freak_sho@hotmail.com>, <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] intake parts
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:34:52 -0400

i'm interested.

Bruce
94 Opal Frost MTX
93 Black ATX - winter beater then parts car :-)

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To: "David Schultz" <freak_sho@hotmail.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] intake parts

> I had some done a while ago from some 5 ply silicone, I could ask if they
> would do more if there would be enough interest.
>
> Kirk J Doucette
> NESHOC President
> Stormtrooper-97 White
>
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> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:39 AM
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> Subject: [Shotimes] intake parts
>
> Aside from the SHO Shop, Does anyone have ant thoughts as to where one
would
> find replacement intake hosees?  Looking to replace the 6 rubber hoses
that
> connect the tanks to the runners.
>
> Any thoughts on this will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
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From: "Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com>
To: "Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com>, "Kirk Doucette"
  <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>, "David Schultz" <freak_sho@hotmail.com>,
  <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] intake parts
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:33:03 -0400

perhaps even 2-3 sets cause I have a few spare intakes that i'm porting and
polishing then planning on selling on ebay or the shoclub site. I'd love to
offer new runner connectors.

What are we talking pricing wise?

Bruce
94 Opal Frost MTX
93 Black ATX - winter beater then parts car :-)

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From: "Bruce Malachuk" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com>
To: "Kirk Doucette" <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>; "David Schultz"
<freak_sho@hotmail.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] intake parts

> i'm interested.
>
> Bruce
> 94 Opal Frost MTX
> 93 Black ATX - winter beater then parts car :-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Doucette" <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>
> To: "David Schultz" <freak_sho@hotmail.com>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] intake parts
>
>
> > I had some done a while ago from some 5 ply silicone, I could ask if
they
> > would do more if there would be enough interest.
> >
> > Kirk J Doucette
> > NESHOC President
> > Stormtrooper-97 White
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> > Behalf Of David Schultz
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:39 AM
> > To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Shotimes] intake parts
> >
> > Aside from the SHO Shop, Does anyone have ant thoughts as to where one
> would
> > find replacement intake hosees?  Looking to replace the 6 rubber hoses
> that
> > connect the tanks to the runners.
> >
> > Any thoughts on this will be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dave
> >
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From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "'Bruce Malachuk'" <bmalach1@nycap.rr.com>, "'Kirk Doucette'"
  <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>, <TechSHO@topica.com>,
  <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Rear Tokico's on backorder
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:46:45 -0400

Regardless of how the Gen 3 ZF rack works or fits, aren't those relatively
rare pieces that are pretty pricey, even when used? They were only used on
the Gen 3 SHO, IIRC, so availability will be limited.

Although I don't much care for the VAPS setup on this '94 (although I guess
I could try to switch setup to deactivate it), the steering on my '95 was
good, and the Gen 1s had no VAPS. UDPs on a Gen 1 tighten it up a bit, also.

Another question on that '91+. If you have Eibachs, are the spotwelds cut,
and the car aligned to -1.2 to -2.0 camber in the front? On this '94, the
spotwelds were not cut with the Eibachs (don't know what the camber was set
at), and the steering was pretty funky & twitchy. Breaking the welds and
getting it to -1.5 helped a LOT.

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Malachuk [mailto:bmalach1@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:38 AM
To: Kirk Doucette; Ron Porter; TechSHO@topica.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Rear Tokico's on backorder

Kirk,

When you adapt a Gen 3 ZF rack to a Gen 1/2 please add me to a list of ppl
you'll be doing that for ;-)

Bruce
94 Opal Frost MTX
93 Black ATX - winter beater then parts car :-)

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From: "Kirk Doucette" <Kirk.doucette@verizon.net>
To: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>; <TechSHO@topica.com>;
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Rear Tokico's on backorder

> Just finished the front end.. everything now is all new. And the Gr-2's
with
> the eibach are almost as stiff as the Tokicos .
>
> It's a whole new car with this setup, a HUGE upgrade over the stock setup.
> But if there were three struts to pick. Konis, tokicos, and KYB . The KYB
> would be at the bottom.
>
> But if you go crazy stiffening up the chassis, with all the bars, urethane
> and connectors (all the stiff goodies) I would pick the KYB's so you could
> have a little flex somewhere and would think it will work out nicely.
>
> Plus with some of the money you save on them you could add other things
and
> be at the same cost.
>
> Im happy with them, I tried them in a few corners and was pleased. Im
still
> learning the car, with much different geometry than the Gen 3 its going to
> be a fun car to drive. This will be the track car for California and
haven't
> driven an MTX aggressively on a course in 5 years, so today starts the NEW
> training session.
>
> One thing I will say that this rack and pinion sucks compared to the ZF
rack
> in the Gen 3. and I have to learn to stop pushing new tires until they
yell
> STOP IT :)
>
> Question to all.. Has anyone adapted or tried to adapt the ZF rack in a
Gen
> 1-2?
>
> Kirk J Doucette
> NESHOC President
> Stormtrooper-97 White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Ron Porter
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:04 PM
> To: TechSHO@topica.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Rear Tokico's on backorder
>
> Did they make AGXs for the SHO at one point?
>
> Yes, I would be interested in the AGX struts.
>
> Kirk has tried the GR-2s in his '91+, and has liked them so far. I am a
bit
> concerned with using the GR-2s with the s, but the AGX look very
> promising.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> Ian
> PS. I might try to bug KYB into making AGX struts for us again-anyone
> interested?
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Message: 5
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: <ampman@ampmanaudio.com>, <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Lexol build-up on leather removal ?
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:58:48 -0400

Sorry, Lexol is the best, IMHO, and I have never had any issues at all like
that, In fact, on the older leather, I apply the conditioner very heavily
(after using the Cleaner per the instructions), and let it sit for awhile
before I wipe it off. I have not had a problem on my four SHOs, nor on my
911, nor on two of my Dad's cars, nor on Don Mallinson's '91 Plus, over the
past 10+ years I've used it.

I strongly suspect that the "build-up" is not Lexol, but that the leather on
those seats was sealed over the years with something like Armor-All or some
other substance that (1) sealed the leather, and/or (2) is something that
has an adverse chemical reaction with the Lexol. That "sticky epoxy" sure
sounds like an adverse chemical reaction to me.

I believe that you need to find a strong cleaner of some sort to get the
seats clean from whatever crap is on them, then try the Lexol again.

Ron Porter

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Subject: [Shotimes] Lexol build-up on leather removal ?