[Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!

[Ron Porter]

Well, I think that you are missing the point.

The fact that Ford owns Cosworth is totally irrelevant. Cosworth is an
independent company that is a hired gun for whoever coughs up the bucks. As
Don said, if there was even a hint of Ford nosing around, Cosworth would
lose their outside business.

Cosworth did not develop their reputation because of Ford. 

I don't see how Yamaha producing the V6 SHO motor, then having Ford put
their name on it as if it was theirs, is any different. I don't see how
splitting hairs as to when someone paid for it matters at all. Since
Cosworth developed and built the motor, what does it matter Who coughed up
the bucks to put their name on it.

Ron Porter 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Kegel [mailto:d.kegel@comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:17 PM
To: Ron Porter; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!


You're missing my point.

I think NASCAR is also a scam, but at least the Chevy's have Chevy motors,
not Ford motors.  Bad example anyway, I hate NASCAR.

As for the SHO, Ford asked Yamaha to do the work for them, and paid them so.
Ahead of time.

GM took an existing engine, already engineered and produced by a Ford owned
company, and is telling the public that it's a Chevy engine.  Not Ford.  Not
Cosworth,  Chevy.  I don't know, to me that's different.  A lot different,
if for no other reason than it's Ford and Chevy.

How can you possibly be justifying this?  It's so completely phony.

Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: "'Dave Kegel'" <d.kegel@comcast.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: July 28, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!


Dave, have you been living under a rock for the past 30-40 years?

This has been commonplace for at least that long. Do you also expect to buy
a V8, RWD 2-door Taurus like they race in NASCAR? Would you also expect the
rules-bending "pushrod" Mercedes-Benz motor that Penske used to win Indy a
few years back to appear in a production car (and, IIRC, that MB "pushrod"
motor was built by Cosworth, or some similar shop).

Dave: walk out to the garage. Raise the hood of either your '93 or '90 SHO.
Look at the name on the rear intake plenum. Guess what?? It says FORD!!!
Lyin' sonsabitches!! "Taking someone else's work and sticking your name on
it is just plain wrong"......Gee, where did I just read that??????  ;-)

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Kegel
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:38 PM
To: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!


Sure, getting help is one thing.  But taking someone else's work and
sticking your name on it is just plain wrong.  It's just a somehow legal and
politically acceptable form of plagiarism.

That's my not so humble opinion.

Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: July 28, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!


> Cosworth had a good reputation long before Ford bought them. Similar to
> Lotus, that does work for MANY car companies.
>
> Harley Davidson had Porsche help them with the V-Rod. Porsche had a few
> Japanese companies help them with production engineering. Porsche helped
> Mercedes with one (or more, don't recall the details) of their new
engines.
>
> It's the new reality. The company gets work where they can, and the
customer
> gets work done where they feel they get the best results.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shotimes
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