[Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!

[Carl Prochilo]

I tend to follow F1 more so than the other forms of open wheel racing, but
Ford-Cosworth's prime spec engine goes to the Ford factory racing team, that
being Jag.  Jordan and Minardi get second and third spec engines.  This is for
a league in which Ford directly completes.  The issue that Dave raises is that
GM is buying engine technology from Ford, and hence the embarrassment that GM
should feel in that it can't bring its massive R&D to bear on building a
competitive racing engine.  It's probably less of an issue to Ford since they
don't compete in IRL, but if CART and IRL were combined I bet it would be a
different story.
I agree that any GM bigot should feel upset at them going to the competition
to buy engine technology.

Carl P.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
To: "Dave Kegel" <d.kegel@comcast.net>
Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!


> Whoa Kemosabe (sp)
>
> I don't think I EVER said that a Buick person would NEVER
> own a Pontiac ETc.  Yes there are some people that feel this
> way, but I don't feel that way, and never said that all
> people feel this way.  incorrect quote that should not be
> attributed to me.
>
> It wasn't Ford's motor.  You need to get that through your
> brain.  From what I heard, Cosworth had been working on this
> upgrade to the GM motor and GM finally bit the bullet and
> bought it.  You don't think that Toyota and Honda built new
> from the ground up motors do you?  They used motors built on
> specs that everyone uses, and on a history that has been
> cribbed from Cosworth, GM, etc, etc.
>
> There isn't much new in racing and hasn 't been for about 50
> years!  It is all a variation on a theme.
>
> You need to realize that while Ford owns Cosworth, Cosworth
> remains an independent engineering firm, otherwise they
> would lose 95% of their business tomorrow. They work on
> projects for GM, the same way they work on projects for Ford
> and other customers.  One at a time, keeping projects
> separated and certain proprietary information secret from
> the various customers, even Ford.
>
> Don Mallinson
>
> Dave Kegel wrote:
> > Don, It's called brand loyalty.  You were just adamantly saying recently
how
> > a Buick person would NEVER own a Pontiac, etc..
> >
> > Yes, people realize that they can't get a 700 HP pushrod V8 in their FWD
> > Monte Carlo, but they root for and buy Chevy products, based on this
loyalty
> > and to some extent how Chevy does in the various forms of racing.
> >
> > Ford allowing Chevy to use their motor (and it is/was a Ford-owned motor,
> > you can't argue that) is just plain stupid.  I think it was a bad
decision,
> > for several reasons, but we can stop arguing about it.
> >
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
> > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: July 28, 2003 2:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!
> >
> >
> >
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>You can't tell me that you actually believe that the
> >>majority of people out there think that the motor run in any
> >>top racing series, including NASCAR has any relationship to
> >>what they buy!  The average person is just a bit sharper
> >>than that.  Even the Olds Quad Four that WAS production
> >>based for a while a least, wasn't fooling many people.
> >>
> >>The people that count KNOW who did the motor and what it is,
> >>the rest of the people pretty much know that they can't buy
> >>an IRL motor in their Impala.  Same with CART/Ford or F1 and
> >>any maker there.
> >>
> >>It is corporate pride that they are going for and just
> >>getting the name out.
> >>
> >>No con job, just racing.
> >>
> >>Don Mallinson
> >>
> >>Dave Kegel wrote:
> >>
> >>>Yes, but those numbers are miniscule and somewhat meaningless compared
> >>
> > to
> >
> >>>the millions of "Race on Sunday, buy on Monday" fans that Chevy is
> >>
> > marketing
> >
> >>>the new Gen 4 Chevy IRL motor too.  It's all a giant con job.  Chevy had
> >>>nothing whatsoever to do with that motor.
> >>>
> >>>Dave
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
> >>>To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> >>>Sent: July 28, 2003 12:45 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Everyone in the engineering and racing community KNOWS the
> >>>>contribution that Cosworth made, and yesterdays race raised
> >>>>their stock in trade a huge amount.  They got all the credit
> >>>>they needed or asked for.  Quite often a deal like this is
> >>>>kept secret.  I applaud Chevy for going public and fixing a
> >>>>very embarrassing problem.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>.
> >>
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