[Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!

[Ron Nottingham]

Does it really matter who it was built for originally?!?!  I mean the block
is not production based, right?  If it's not production based, it would be
like Joe Schmoe House Builders building a house for Jim Schim, and when it
is finished, he does not want it, then Jay Schay buy's the house.  Is it
still Jim Schim's house?  Don't think so.

OTOH - What about the GM all-aluminum 215cid V8 from the early 60's?  It was
sold to Rover Group in the U.K., which was eventually bought by Ford.  When
Ford bought Rover, they were still using that V8.  Now, is that considered a
"Ford" V8 in the Rover stable or a GM V8?  :-)

Ron N. - Dalton, GA
90 SHO
89 325i
"It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Kegel" <d.kegel@comcast.net>


> OK, one last time.  This motor was NOT built by Cosworth for Chevy. It
> was built by Cosworth for FORD.  That is why this is so idiotic. I've
> included a link below, and some quotes from the story.  The racing press
> has been talking about this for weeks.  You should be able to find other
> information on this in about five minutes of searching:
>
> Here's some from the link:
>
> "Starting with the next Indy Racing League show July 27 at Michigan,
> Ford-owned Cosworth Engineering will be powering two-time IRL champion
> Sam Hornish Jr. Oh sure, the engine will be called the Gen IV Chevy Indy
> V-8 and all the people associated with the program will be wearing
> Chevrolet shirts.  But the truth is that Chevy's current IRL engine is a
> dog with no bite. Until Saturday night's race, Hornish nor any other
> Chevy driver had led a lap of competition this season and GM had no
> immediate answers. The only quick fix was to swallow its pride and ask
> for help from its arch rival"
>
> "Ford, which supplies all the turbocharged engines for the CART Champ
> Car series, had comissioned Cosworth to build a normally-aspirated IRL
> engine when it appeared CART would change rules to the IRL specs. But it
> didn't happen so Cosworth had an IRL-approved engine just sitting around
> and Chevrolet had a problem.
>
> And here's a quote from Joe Negri who agrees with how some of you feel,
> (but of course, he HAS to look at it this way):
>
> "I don't look at this as a Ford project just beause they happen to own
> Cosworth," said Joe Negri, IRL program manager for GM. "It's no
> different than Honda and Ilmor teamming up. Ford isn't competing here
> and this is good business for Cosworth
>
>
> http://espn.go.com/rpm/irl/2003/0719/1583071.html
>
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Neno Albert
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:36 PM
> To: Dave Kegel; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!
>
>
> Dave
>
> Do you have any literature regarding this premade motor being sold out?
> I don't believe Cosworth has the right to sell out a motor built for
> Ford. What I've gathered in this tread is that the motor was indeed
> built solely by Cosworth for Chevy, never as a Ford product. I also
> don't recall anyone stating that the motor was bought outright from
> Ford. Either way, it's still bought out and that's all that matters.
> It's like buying a race motor from someone who has a extra motor for
> extra insurance. That isn't scamming or cheating in my rule book. If you
> buy it, it's yours as are the rights to sell it, name it, claim it, or
> even junk it! And I'm sure Chevy paid a pretty penny for the motors they
> have now, so I don't see anything wrong with claiming it their own.
>
> Neno
>
>
> --- Dave Kegel <d.kegel@comcast.net> wrote:
> > You're missing my point.
> >
> > I think NASCAR is also a scam, but at least the Chevy's have Chevy
> > motors, not Ford motors.  Bad example anyway, I hate NASCAR.
> >
> > As for the SHO, Ford asked Yamaha to do the work for them, and paid
> > them so. Ahead of time.
> >
> > GM took an existing engine, already engineered and produced by a Ford
> > owned company, and is telling the public that it's a Chevy engine.
> > Not Ford.  Not Cosworth,  Chevy.  I don't know, to me that's
> > different.  A lot different, if for no other reason than it's Ford and
>
> > Chevy.
> >
> > How can you possibly be justifying this?  It's so completely phony.
> >
> > Dave
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