[Shotimes] OT routers & firewalls - was (OT) Somebody Has
A Virus!
James White
greensho@crown.net
Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:15:12 -0500
Sounds like one of you computer guys is going to have MaxHeadRoom sending
all of us Hi..Hi..Hi..messages to the lists on regular basis...
regards, Jim White - greensho@crown.net
Valparaiso, Indiana
'93 5 SPEED 279k few mods
'95 5 SPEED 248k lots of mods
"double clutch" it's good for both you and your SHO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul L Fisher" <sho@paul-fisher.com>
To: "James F. Ryan III" <av8r567@optonline.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT routers & firewalls - was (OT) Somebody Has A
Virus!
> OK..... My Cisco 2600 series at work has one WAN port as well, what is
your
> point? My 2651's have 4 each but that is because they are binding together
4
> T1 sized private lines to increase the bandwidth.
>
> My little Linksys router does the basic routing function which is move
> packets between 2 (or more) subnets.
>
> MCSE (Windows 2000), MCSA (Windows 2000), MCDBA, CompTIA Security+.
>
> Paul L Fisher
> '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 173K Build date 11/18/1992
> - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back,
Holley
> 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar, Performance-Plus
> Stainless Steel Y-pipe, '96 brake upgrade, Proportioning valve plugs,
Delrin
> sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
>
> SHO Club member http://www.shoclub.com/
> Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
> Amsoil dealer http://www.paul-fisher.com/oil.htm
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James F. Ryan III" <av8r567@optonline.net>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 3:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT routers & firewalls - was (OT) Somebody Has A
> Virus!
>
>
> > I don't like OT threads and I particularly don't like OT threads about
> > computers because there are so many misconceptions and misunderstandings
> > about the technology.
> >
> > Let's get one thing straight - these little Linksys, D-link, and Netgear
> > boxes are NOT routers. A real router, like a Cisco unit, has 1 LAN
> > connection and 2 or more connections (WAN1, WAN2, WAN3 etc) to the
> internet
> > or other networks. When it receives a packet from a PC on the LAN side,
> it
> > looks at the network address portion of the complete IP address, and
then
> > 'decides' which WAN port to ROUTE the packet thru. Its decision making
is
> > based on the # of hops, # of ticks, and other network variables. These
> > parameters are stored in a Routing Information Protocol (RIP) table.
> >
> > How many WAN ports does your little 'cable/DSL router' have? One? How
> can
> > it possibly ROUTE if it only has one WAN port?!?!?!? When you first set
> up
> > your 'cable/DSL router' did you program your routing table? No you did
> not.
> > All you probably did was type in your ISPs DNS server address(s), your
> ISPs
> > Gateway address, told it to obtain an IP address automatically (from
your
> > ISP), and maybe configured it as a DHCP server for the PCs in your
house.
> >
> > So, one WAN port PLUS no routing table EQUALS not a router. Yes, I know
> > that's what the box says and that's what the mfr calls it, but it is not
a
> > router - it is a GATEWAY. But even that is not 100% accurate (but it's
> more
> > accurate than calling it a router) because the main function of a
gateway
> is
> > translation between 2 dissimilar networks. IP network and NetBEUI
> network -
> > need a gateway. Ethernet network and Token Ring network - need a
gateway.
> > IP network in your house and the internet - need a gateway????? I think
> > not.
> >
> > So it's not a router and it's not a gateway, so what is it? It's a box
> that
> > uses NAT to provide internet-sharing of the single IP address from your
> > telco or cableco. That's the main selling point and that's what
> > 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% are being used for.
> >
> > BTW, I have the Linksys BEFSR11 - 1 WAN port and 1 LAN port which is
> > connected to a separate 16-port switch.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Ryan - A+, Network+, CNE 3x/4x/5x/6x, MCSE-NT, MCP-2000 Pro,
MCP-2000
> > Server. Got out of this crappy business before completing my MCSE-2000
> and
> > my CCNA.
> >
> > (Living and working in Kentucky for the next 2 months)
> > Wayne, NJ
> > '91 Plus - all white/mocha with fiberglass hood, rod shifter, & rear
> spoiler
> >
> > 255 Lph fuel pump, SHO Shop can & horn, 80mm MAF, S&B cone filter, SHO
> Shop
> > HiFlow Y-pipe & cat-back exhaust, SHO Shop LPM, SHO Shop underdrive
> pulleys,
> > SHO Shop HiRevs Jr clutch & steel billet LiteWeight flywheel, reinforced
> > engine & trans mounts, SHO Shop TQ limiters, SHO NUT aluminum SFBs, FPS
> '96
> > SHO front brakes, Carbotech F brake pads, Nook's full-body SFCs, Koni
adj
> > struts, SHO Shop linear springs, 24mm FSB, 26mm RSB, SHO Shop steel f&r
> > STBs, Bridgestone Potenza RE-730 225/55-16, CATZ MSP fog lights, police
> > grille
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Paul L Fisher
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 10:56 AM
> > > To: Ron Porter; shotimes@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT routers & firewalls - was (OT) Somebody Has
A
> > > Virus!
> > >
> > > What I meant is that a true dumb, firewall, doesn't open any ports
from
> > > the
> > > outside. A program from the inside can go out and get stuff (SMTP,
FTP,
> > > HTTP) but someone sniffing your external IP address would find
nothing.
> > >
> > > Paul L Fisher
> > > '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 173K Build date 11/18/1992
> > > - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back,
> > > Holley
> > > 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar,
Performance-Plus
> > > Stainless Steel Y-pipe, '96 brake upgrade, Proportioning valve plugs,
> > > Delrin
> > > sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic
ATF.
> > >
> > > SHO Club member http://www.shoclub.com/
> > > Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
> > > Amsoil dealer http://www.paul-fisher.com/oil.htm
> > >
> > > Get $5 free from Paypal!
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> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > To: "'Paul L Fisher'" <sho@paul-fisher.com>;
<shotimes@autox.team.net>;
> > > <Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:40 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT routers & firewalls - was (OT) Somebody Has
A
> > > Virus!
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree on the hardware firewall versus the software firewall (but a
> > > software firewall is better than nothing).
> > >
> > > What do you mean by "A basic firewall doesn't let anything in from the
> > > outside"?? Viruses come imbedded in e-mails and a firewall doesn't
> break
> > > into individual messages. I view firewalls as "hacker protection"
> devices.
> > >
> > > I have the same Linksys unit. Nice piece of gear for $99!!
> > >
> > > Ron Porter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Paul L Fisher
> > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:33 AM
> > > To: shotimes@autox.team.net; Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT routers & firewalls - was (OT) Somebody Has
A
> > > Virus!
> > >
> > >
> > > A basic firewall doesn't let anything in from the outside. For
example.
> I
> > > have a Linksys BEFW11S4
> > > http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=35&prid=540
> which
> > > is a router, a firewall a wired switch and a wireless access point. On
> my
> > > device, it also does NAT (network address translation) so that all the
> > > network devices on my network don't have external IP addresses. My ISP
> > > only
> > > give me 1 dynamic IP address so this is good.
> > >
> > > All the firewall software is doing is stopping anyone from using
> anyports
> > > inbound.
> > >
> > > http://computer.howstuffworks.com/firewall.htm
> > >
> > > http://computer.howstuffworks.com/router.htm
> > >
> > > http://computer.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.linksys.com/edu/ shows how to setup home networks.
> > >
> > > Paul L Fisher
> > > '93 Ford Taurus SHO Crimson Clearcoat ATX 173K Build date 11/18/1992
> > > - K&N Panel filter, Tokico Struts, Eibach Springs, Dynomax cat-back,
> > > Holley
> > > 190lph fuel pump, FPS rebuilt ATX, 26mm rear sway bar,
Performance-Plus
> > > Stainless Steel Y-pipe, '96 brake upgrade, Proportioning valve plugs,
> > > Delrin
> > > sub-frame bushings, Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 oil, Amsoil Synthetic
ATF.
> > >
> > > SHO Club member http://www.shoclub.com/
> > > Check out my web site http://www.paul-fisher.com/
> > > Amsoil dealer http://www.paul-fisher.com/oil.htm
> > >
> > > Get $5 free from Paypal!
https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=P3XEFFBFUFKN6
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com>
> > > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:52 AM
> > > Subject: [Shotimes] OT routers & firewalls - was (OT) Somebody Has A
> > > Virus!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ok, maybe somebody can answer this for me. How do you configure a
> > > > firewall on a router? I have cable broadband at home. Right now
I'm
> > > > running a software firewall (Black Ice). I'm thinking about getting
a
> > > > router; mainly so I can get internet access on my other computer.
But
> > > > I don't understand how you can "set it up", if the firewall is now
> > > > before the computer. Does software "flash" a chip in the router?
Or
> > > > do you use the settings prgrammed into it right out of the box?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike Wojton
> > > > Toledo, Ohio
> > > >
> > > > -'95 Green MTX 3/01-1/03
> > > > ShoShop y-pipe
> > > >
> > > > -'95 White MTX
> > > > '96 Brake Upgrade
> > > >
> > > > "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 06/13/2003 09:34:55 AM:
> > > >
> > > > > Yep, Linksys wireless, the "old" 802.11b model that's been
dropping
> in
> > > > price
> > > > > for awhile! We have two laptops with wireless cards, and reception
> in
> > > > the
> > > > > house is great!
> > > > >
> > > > > The 11b frequency does mess with the cordless phones a bit,
though,
> > > but
> > > > > moving away from a wireless card with clear the reception up.
> Getting
> > > an
> > > > 11a
> > > > > or an 11g network would help the phone situation, but the price
was
> > > > still up
> > > > > there on those base units.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Porter
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Robert Bruce [mailto:rbruce@bellatlantic.net]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:59 AM
> > > > > To: Ron Porter; 'Shotimes'
> > > > > Subject: RE: (OT) Somebody Has A Virus! Was: RE: [Shotimes] OEM
tips
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Linksys?
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ron Porter
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:26 AM
> > > > > To: 'Paul Nimz'; 'Shotimes'
> > > > > Subject: RE: (OT) Somebody Has A Virus! Was: RE: [Shotimes] OEM
tips
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's the Mailwasher that catches it. I run a gateway
router/firewall
> > > > that is
> > > > > physically in front of the PC that acts as the server for the
> wireless
> > > > > network in the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Porter
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Paul Nimz [mailto:pmnimz@v8sho.com]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:57 AM
> > > > > To: Ron Porter; 'Shotimes'
> > > > > Subject: Re: (OT) Somebody Has A Virus! Was: RE: [Shotimes] OEM
tips
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All I know is I've been without Norton for 2 years and Zonealarm
has
> > > > stopped
> > > > > all virii. I've been using Mailwasher too for the last 6 months.
It
> > > is
> > > > > before Zonealarm and will stop any email problems before you
> actually
> > > > > download them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Nimz
> > > > > '97 TR
> > > > > '93 EG mtx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ron Porter" <ronporter@prodigy.net>
> > > > > To: "'Paul Nimz'" <pmnimz@v8sho.com>; "'Dave Garber'"
> > > > > <DGARBER@servicelinklp.com>; "'Shotimes'"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:51 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: (OT) Somebody Has A Virus! Was: RE: [Shotimes] OEM
tips
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Firewall can't stop a virus imbedded in an otherwise legitimate
> > > email.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't Mailwasher an application running on the PC or server?
That
> > > > would
> > > > > > definitely be post-firewall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron Porter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > > > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > > > > On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:13 AM
> > > > > > To: Dave Garber; Shotimes
> > > > > > Subject: Re: (OT) Somebody Has A Virus! Was: RE: [Shotimes] OEM
> tips
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AV software is reactionary while a firewall is pro active. You
> > > can't
> > > > stop
> > > > > a
> > > > > > virus that you don't have the update to if you rely on AV
> software.
> > > A
> > > > > > firewall will stop all unwanted activity. If you use Mailwasher
> it
> > > > will
> > > > > > stop it before the firewall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul Nimz
> > > > > > '97 TR
> > > > > > '93 EG mtx
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Dave Garber" <DGARBER@servicelinklp.com>
> > > > > > To: "Shotimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:20 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: (OT) Somebody Has A Virus! Was: RE: [Shotimes] OEM
> tips
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > How is a firewall going to help in place of good AV software?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dave Garber
> > > > > > > Pittsburgh, PA
> > > > > > > 99 White
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Paul Nimz [mailto:pmnimz@v8sho.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:03 AM
> > > > > > > To: Shotimes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Forget anti-virus software and get a good firewall.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul Nimz
> > > > > > > '97 TR
> > > > > > > '93 EG mtx
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