[Shotimes] Tranny noise
Kerry Kinion
kerry@kinionfurniture.com
Thu, 8 May 2003 00:10:12 -0700
Stupid follow up. Are just the teeth on the flywheel re-surfaced? The
main plate of the flywheel looked untouched and kind of rusty. The
angled part of the teeth looked fresh (bare metal).
Mark N. - I bet questions like mine drive you nuts, don't they? Once
again though - your 60k video made it possible for me to muster up the
confidence needed to deal with this car I got myself into!! And, I'm
actually loving every minute of it. Even though I'm driving the AWA
more nuts than myself :-). Thanks again and good work.
I should know this, but is there a tranny (clutch) video out now??
Would this shed some light on this area for me?? I crack myself up - I
want to put a Quaife in but I don't really even understand what it will
do for me. Now that's bad!! :-).
Kerry ('93 MTX, 111k, fresh 60k+, new rod bearings, bone stock!)
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Kinion
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:39 PM
To: Shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Tranny noise
Chris,
Thanks! Once I find out who did the clutch job, I can at least ask a
relevant question - "did you loctite the pressure plate bolts??" Even
though I still have no idea what the pressure plate is, it's a start.
Thanks again and good luck to you as well!!
Kerry ('93 MTX, 111k, fresh 60k+, new rod bearings, bone stock!)
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris "Zap" [mailto:zap@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:39 PM
To: Kerry Kinion
Cc: Shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Tranny noise
Kerry,
As a reassurance, with a SHO, unfortunately, it can be assumed that
a
lot to most places you take it to have no clue about its quirks or
differences from a "normal" car. Before I started working on my car, I
didn't know a single thing about most car stuff other than terms here or
there. Now I have almost taken apart most of the drivetrain to remove
the
tranny on my girlfriend's '94 MTX. It wouldn't be having a failing
clutch
if someone would have simply checked the manuals and seen that the
pressure
plate bolts NEED to be Loctite-d in order to prevent them from backing
out.
I'm guessing that the job was done fairly recently before the car was
purchased off a dealer lot. It only has 82k on the clock.
The satisfaction from repairing things is a pretty neat benefit,
too.
Though I'm rather frustrated that my '95 decided to pop the 2nd coolant
hose
this week (ThrottleBody heater hose). With both cars down, I have to
rely
on friends to help me get my parts, LOL.
By the way, to resurface the flywheel means that it has been
smoothed
out so that the surface is flat and is supposed to be even. It's done
as
opposed to replacing a flywheel due to wear.
Best of luck to you, and hope you get everything fixed soon! :) I know
I
want to get my SHO into tip-top shape ASAP!
~Chris
'95 Emerald Green MTX (Prestone's official fountain)
Joy's '94 Moonlight Blue MTX (Clutch Baby!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Kinion" <kerry@kinionfurniture.com>
To: <dmall@mwonline.net>; <shotimes-admin@autox.team.net>
Cc: <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Tranny noise
> I'll state it again: I am no mechanic but getting better everyday
after
> having done a complete 60k service, including replacing radiator,
> thermostat, sending unit, water pump, CPS, shim adjustment, battery
> cables, plugs, wires (Ford Motorcraft of course) as the mechanic
before
> me put Bosch plugs in. And I have just completed replacing the rod
> bearings.
>
> Problem is, I still no NOTHING about transmissions (PLEASE bear with
> me). Was lucky enough to see a flywheel for the first time when doing
> my rod bearing job :-)!
>
> Today as I was driving the car - I listened very closely for this
"gear
> rollover rattle". I THINK that's exactly what I'm hearing. Can
> definitely hear and pinpoint in first gear - problem is: I hear it in
> reverse too! Identical sound.
>
> Otherwise, the car is running, sounding and feeling great. Just to be
> redundant, my car has 111k. New clutch was put in at 107k and the
> receipt says this: "new clutch assembly installed", "flywheel
> re-surfaced", "main rear seal replaced". $927 (going by memory).
>
> I don't know who did the clutch but I'm going to try to find out as I
> know it was done locally. The mechanic who worked on this car before
I
> bought it farmed this job out. As far as stupid questions go - what
> does it mean to have the flywheel re-surfaced? If whoever did the
> clutch job knew what he was doing - I'm assuming I should not be
having
> tranny problems only 4k miles later. But - "WITH THIS CAR", I don't
> assume the person who did the clutch job had a clue!!
>
> Sorry for the long post (and I'm not even close to being done asking
> stupid questions yet) but I'm just trying to learn. Again - one part
at
> a time, if that's what it takes.
>
> Spider gear??
> Clutch??
> Drill a hole in my tranny - NO WAY!!
>
> Man I feel stupid :-)
>
> Guys in white w/straight jacket are here again - talk to you all as
soon
> as they let me out!!
>
> Kerry ('93 MTX, 111k, fresh 60k+, new rod bearings, bone stock!)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Mallinson [mailto:dmall@mwonline.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 5:39 AM
> To: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> Cc: Shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Tranny noise
>
> The infamous SHO MTX tranny noise is only heard in first
> gear. When you pull away from a stop and are next to a wall
> or something that can reflect noise, you will hear the gear
> rollover "rattle". No grunch. This rattle is standard on
> every SHO MTX ever made, and is helped slightly by running
> Redline MTX fluid, but that only mutes it slightly and
> REdline D4 is the better fluid to run in later SHO's with
> the fiber syncro material.
>
> If you have a clicking sound in three gears(it is probably
> there in other gears, just masked by other noises at the
> higher speeds), then this could be something serious.
>
> IF you don't have a drain plug on your tranny (they have to
> be added, they aren't there from the factory) then you
> should take out the fill plug and use some sort of pump to
> remove some fluid from near the bottom of the tranny. Check
> for a LOT of silver (aluminum) in the fluid. A LITTLE is
> normal.
>
> The gear rollover is not a tick, it is a heavier rattle.
> You can tell the difference, just get next to a building in
> a fairly quiet area and do a few low speed FIRST gear
> takeoff's to about 5-10 mph. You will hear it and get used
> to the sound. I have not heard a SHO do this particular
> noise in any other gear including reverse.
>
> A ticking in the tranny could be the infamous spider gear
> shaft working its way out. or it could be something in the
> clutch. More likely the clutch, especially if the noise is
> consistent in both first and reverse.
>
> Don Mallinson
> SHO Club
>
> Kerry Kinion wrote:
> > Tell me more please! I didn't want to call it a grinding sound
> because
> > it's not. Describing sounds thru email is tough! :-) Describe
> "grunch"
> > as best you can. And what is the "famous SHO tranny gear
> > Rollover"?
> >
> > It is rather quiet, yet prolonged when letting out the clutch. Once
> > again, and I hate to say it again, it's more of a low toned
"ticking"
> > noise. If this is normal - COOL!!
> >
> > I understand (well kind of) the grinding when putting the car in
> > reverse. But this is a "tick"!
> >
> > Gotta go - the guys in white suits, holding a straight-jacket just
> > pulled up!!
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Childs [mailto:rbchilds@pacbell.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:12 PM
> > To: Kerry Kinion; Shotimes@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Tranny noise
> >
> > If it sounds kinda like a quiet "grunch", when
> > starting from a stop, it is the famous SHO tranny gear
> > rollover. Nothing to worry about.
> >
> >
> > -Ron Childs '91
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Kerry Kinion <kerry@kinionfurniture.com> wrote:
> >
> >>OK All,
> >>
> >>I won't go on and on about this one - but I just
> >>replaced rod bearings
> >>to get rid of the ticking noise between about
> >>2400-3500 RPM's. That
> >>worked. Now I'm hearing a slight ticking noise
> >>while in gear. I notice
> >>it in reverse and it seems like (just started
> >>hearing after the rod
> >>bearing replacement so I'll listen more closely to
> >>pinpoint exactly when
> >>it's happening) in first gear when just getting
> >>going. Doesn't happen
> >>in neutral so I definitely think it's got to be
> >>tranny related. Any
> >>thoughts??
> >>
> >>Kerry ('93 MTX, fresh 60k+, new rod bearings, bone
> >>stock)
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