[Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings

[Kirk Doucette]

We use the same bar and mounts, they must have put it there for some reason.
I think it's a good idea because you can on any Gen 1 and 2 pull the bar
several inches, that several inches is where your weight transfer begins to
get sent to the rear. If the bar is stationary it does a "better" job.
Maybe a 22 up front with the collars?

Kirk J Doucette
NESHOC President
Stormtrooper-97 White

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:41 AM
To: 'Kirk Doucette'; 'shotimes'
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings

Kirk, I believe the "collar" issue is only needed on Gen 3s to keep the bar
from "walking", Gen 1/2s don't have them from the factory, and don't seem to
need them from the way the bar fits.

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Doucette [mailto:Kirk.doucette@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 6:30 AM
To: Ron Porter; 'van Oss'; 'James F. Ryan III'; 'shotimes'
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings


"I agree with the autocross guys in using a small front bar for lower-speed
neutral handling, but my on/off-ramp work, plus the tracks we do, make me
believe the 24/26 works better."

Try a Gen 3 with that combo, Al bushings, Tubular control arms, poly
bushings, a car that is only 4.5 inches off the ground and SARC in STIFF
mode. Made short work of Z06, Cobra, Rx7, and many others last week at
Watkins Glen and Summit Point.

- 1.7 degree of camber in the rear works wonders :)

Anyone installing a 24 should have the collars welded on the inside of the
bar bushings to limit bar side to side travel.

Kirk J Doucette
NESHOC President
Stormtrooper-97 White

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Ron Porter
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:51 PM
To: 'van Oss'; 'James F. Ryan III'; 'shotimes'
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings

Well, I disagree.

Example #1: Green '95 MTX with 24/26, Koni/Eibach on Firm, AL SFB, H-brace.
For Summit Point and my favorite off-ramps that I take at 50-70 mph, the
24/26 works VERY well.

Example #2 that I'm working on: New '94 MTX with Tokico/Eibach and long SFCs
welded in. Per Randy Smith, oversteer can be induced easily since he had the
SFCs welded in (this car has the stock '94 bars, which I assume are the
20.6mm bamboo poles). I am looking at transferring my 24/26 bars over. I may
try the 26mm rear alone first, but I suspect the 24/26 combo may work
better. BTW, I will also be transferring the AL SFBs.

I agree with the autocross guys in using a small front bar for lower-speed
neutral handling, but my on/off-ramp work, plus the tracks we do, make me
believe the 24/26 works better.

No offense, but (1) you guys may do curves slower than I do, and (2) you may
have a different driving technique.

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of van Oss
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:44 PM
To: James F. Ryan III; iceman@cmgate.com; 'shotimes'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Energy Suspension Bushings


Jim, I agree!  My 92 did not become a neutral handler until it got the 20/26
combo.  BTW this is a car with stock diff, SHO SHOP linear front springs,
Eibach rear, and 4 Tokicos.

Joseph van Oss


----- Original Message -----
Also, my '91+ came with the 24/26 setup from the factory and I've never been
happy with the handling - understeer.  I once drove a '90 LX wagon (rental
car) and was amazed that it handled better than my SHO!!!

I recently bought a 22mm and a 20.5mm FSB and I'm looking forward to testing
both of them.  When I do, the ES poly bushings will finally be thrown away
and I'll try rubber bushings on the front and TPR bushings on the rear.

As always, YMMV.  Some people like the combo you're installing, but I vote
No for the 24/26 setup and No for the ES poly bushings.

Jim Ryan
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