[Shotimes] electronic brake bleeder

Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:12:45 -0500

Ah, so I had a 50% margin of error on the # of cans!!! I can't find the
earlier posts that I had for CDOC, and I believe hat one of them stated the
quantity where the lower price started. It may have even been as low as
eight cans.

You might even try Valvoline for a track day, but I suspect that you may not
feel a difference. The Ford/Motorcraft DOT 3 would also be worth the try (as
you mentioned), but I would replace it after a track day, as the wet point
is too low to leave in very long (IMHO). FWIW, awhile back I had mentioned
about possibly trying the Motul 600, but that stuff is about $10 a 1/2 liter
(when it's on sale, down from $13.95). Gary Morrell had used it, and said
that the Motul has a soft pedal even when cold.

I would suggest that you do a full flush after each track day, and with the
Thexton ABS bleeder, you will need to do two flushes (one before & one
after) to get the old fluid out. Sounds like you are another candidate for
the Motive Products bleeder!

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Smith [mailto:tjsmith@monmouth.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 12:28 PM
To: Ron Porter
Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] electronic brake bleeder

Ron,

It ended up being $7.00 a can for Blue and $7.25 for the
the Gold ATE. We bought 20 cans from CDOC, shipping was
about $12.00. I had used the online web page to buy at
the higher price and they called to let me know it would
be cheaper for the larger quantity. The also sent me a
CDOC folding seat which I brought right to Lime Rock the
next weekend. CDOC is a great place in my book.

I hit about 8-10 track days a year (Lime Rock, Watkins,
Summit, etc.) I do a couple pumps before each event at
each corner and a full bleed once or twice a year. I always
have had a slightly soft pedal with the original brakes (91),
the 96 brake upgrade, and now the Wilwood 4 pots after a
few laps. I am hoping when I get he Texton ABS bleeder from
Don D. that cure the softness. Always great braking, just a
pedel that get consistanly soft during the day. This may be
the ATE because I have had lenghty discussion with some Porsche
guys and they say the same thing about ATE. I want to try the Ford
Fluid for one race and see if the soft pedal goes away. But I now
have so much ATE to use up ;-)

Tom 91+ TCE Wilwoods, Rickety Roll bar, Quiafe equiped, Simpson
6pts. (Mark Nunnully wanna be ;-)

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Ron Porter wrote:

> Hopefully Tom will chime in here, but I "think" with the 30+ cans they
got,
> they got it for $6.95, or something like that. Memory is hazy, but I think
> the discount starts down around 10 cans or so.  Don't recall the details,
> but the Porsche guys first found out about it.
>
> Non-SHO Trivia: CDOC is a division of Das Sport
(http://www.das-sport.com/),
> that makes neat race stuff for BMWs and Porsches....and they are the ones
> that make the bolt-in, easy in-and-out rollbar (that requires NO drilling)
> that fits my cabriolet if I decide to keep it and do track events with it.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Andretta [mailto:passport@optonline.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 9:02 PM
> To: Ron Porter; 'Kirk Doucette'; 'van Oss'; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] electronic brake bleeder
>
>
> OK Kirk,  I guess I should start thinking about spending some money on
tires
> then.
>
> Like Ron said CDOC seems to have the lowest internet price.  I bought a
> couple of cans locally when a shop was hosting a BMW pre-track inpsection
> session.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Porter [mailto:ronporter@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:33 PM
> To: 'Kirk Doucette'; 'Christian Andretta'; 'van Oss';
> shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] electronic brake bleeder
>
>
> IIRC, Tom bought it through CDOC (after I posted that link awhile back),
and
> bought a lot of it, splitting the order with a neighbor, and he got the
> better price for the quantity. He also got some other gifts from CDOC.
>
> Last I checked, Summit doesn't carry it. FWIW (and I can't say that I've
hit
> every site on the internet!!) but that $8.95/can is the best I've seen,
and
> the extra discount for higher quantities that they offer is better yet.
>
> Ron Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Doucette [mailto:Kirk.doucette@verizon.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:08 PM
> To: Christian Andretta; van Oss; Ron Porter; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] electronic brake bleeder
>
>
> COUGH>>>>>>>.    If you went to the track with us in the Spring and fall
you
> could get it even cheaper..    Wheres Tom S?  I think Summit sells it for
> 5.95.. They also have the Castrol SRF for like 80 bucks :)
>
> Kirk J Doucette
> NESHOC President
> Stormtrooper-97 White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Christian Andretta
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 2:43 PM
> To: van Oss; Ron Porter; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] electronic brake bleeder
>
> I have used just about 1 large ATE can ( I think they are a liter) to
flush
> the entire system.   I like the ATE fluid because I can alternate color
and
> know when the new fluid has filled the line and the caliper.  The cans can
> be purchased for 8 bucks a piece at a discount; I figure with all of the
> other stuff I waste money on paying three dollars more for a liter of
brake
> fluid is nothing.
>
> Christian Andretta
> 99 SF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of van Oss
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 2:21 PM
> To: Ron Porter; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] electronic brake bleeder
>
>
> Okay, I just ordered a pressure bleeder.  Gonna be "Bleedin' Brakes R Us"
> around here soon.
>
> If I buy brake fluid in the larger bottles, how many does it take to do
one
> car?  To do the whole fleet, I should probably buy a case anyway...
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> VO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Don't think the unit can replicate someone pumping the brake pedal for a
> flush!!
>
> Once I go the vacuum bleeder a few years ago, I couldn't believe that I
> waited that long before getting away from the two-person-pump-the-pedal
> operation, and the pressure bleeder works better yet....and doesn't need a
> compressor.
>
> OTOH, It appears that the abs pump could be left running for awhile, with
> the solenoids open, and it would move fluid through the system.....sorta
> making an automated bleeding process. Wonder if the abs pump is up for
> running for an extended period.
>
> Ron Porter
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