[Shotimes] Window tinting

Noah South III RaggTopp@comcast.net
Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:34:38 -0400 

LOL!!!!

Uh guys, if they ask you that after saying no it's a CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION.
I would be shocked if a cop were that stupid to ask that after you refuse a
search.  You could very easily bring a lawsuit for around $10,000 against
them for something like this.  Of course you'll only get $7,000 of that
after you pay the lawyer.  <G>

Regardless, I just tell them "No, I don't allow cops to search my car
anymore, they've never found anything before and they ALWAYS break stuff in
the process."  I had one cop say "oh but I won't break anything," to which I
told him too bad, he can blame his unethical peers for my decision.  That
whole line stopped there.

Oh yeah and one more thing, if they ask to search your car, you can ask them
WHY? before anything else.

-Noah South III


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Fitz" <alfitz@alfitz.com>
To: "Shea Tisdale" <shea@sheatisdale.com>
Cc: "_SHOtimes" <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Window tinting


> That's correct. If you refuse the search, they ask; "Why? Do you have
> something to hide?". How do you answer that one. My normal behavior is to
> NEVER talk to the police unless I'm far away from home. When they casually
> ask where I'm coming from or where I'm going I politely tell them that
it's
> none of their business. I never answer questions close to home. Now if I'm
> far from home, I don't want to risk going to jail by pissing them off, but
> close to home I have a VERY good lawyer for things like this.
>
>
> Al Fitz
> alfitz@alfitz.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shea Tisdale" <shea@sheatisdale.com>
> To: "'Al Fitz'" <alfitz@alfitz.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:22 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Window tinting
>
>
> > The really crazy thing right now is that refusing a search is considered
> > a sign of guilt by cops, not a sign of someone knowing their rights.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Al Fitz
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:29 AM
> > > To: Noah South III
> > > Cc: _SHOtimes
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Window tinting
> > >
> > > I totally agree with you Noah. My Son and I both have 89 silver SHOs
> > and I
> > > can't describe the look of disappointment I see on the cops faces when
> > > they
> > > see it's me driving rather than my Son. They know I will not take
> > their
> > > "jack booted" tactics. It seems like every kid get asked if they can
> > > search
> > > their cars and God help them if they say no. One of my boys got
> > stopped
> > > for
> > > "speeding" and refused a search of the car. They held him for 1 hour
> > and
> > > 45
> > > minutes until the dog showed up. Of course they didn't find anything
> > and
> > > they WOULDN'T give him a ticket for speeding. If he had received a
> > ticket,
> > > he would be able to take the case before a judge and those cops didn't
> > > want
> > > to explain why they held him unconstitutionally against his will for
> > > almost
> > > 2 hours waiting for the dog.
> > >
> > >
> > > Al Fitz
> > > alfitz@alfitz.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Noah South III" <RaggTopp@comcast.net>
> > > To: "SHOTimes-Mailing List" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Window tinting
> > >
> > >
> > > > There are good and bad cops.  Depending on where you live, you might
> > > have
> > > > more good than bad, or you might have more bad than good.  Round
> > here,
> > > we
> > > > have WAY more bad than good, but I've gotten used to it.  I got
> > yelled
> > > at
> > > > and threatened multiple times by a state boy BECAUSE I showed him my
> > > doctors
> > > > note for my tint.  Oh yeah, and he searched my car and broke shit
> > > inside.
> > > > All because I showed him the doctors note and it pissed him off.
> > > >
> > > > It really depends who you are though.  If you're young or just young
> > > > looking, you are GOING to get power tripped on by the cops.  Why
> > pick on
> > > > youngsters?  Because they're the easiest target, they're too young
> > to
> > > know
> > > > anything or any of the laws.  As of right now, I can think of MANY
> > > police
> > > > stops that were blatantly illegal, but at the time I had no clue and
> > was
> > > > "afraid" of the cops.  Oh and if the cop is irate towards you do
> > NOT, I
> > > > repeat DO NOT tell him what the laws are.  You may know what the
> > laws
> > > are,
> > > > and he doesn't.  All that's going to do is make him REALLY pissy.
> > Put
> > > > yourself in his position.  You gona' let some punk tell you how to
> > do
> > > your
> > > > job?  <G>
> > > >
> > > > -Noah South III
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
> > > > To: "_SHOtimes" <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:13 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Window tinting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Al,
> > > > >
> > > > > I know it sometimes seems like all cops are bad, but as with
> > > > > most things in life, I am sure most cops do their best to be
> > > > > GOOD cops.  I have personally known quite a few of the
> > > > > local, county and state police, only one of which came about
> > > > > because of a "problem" thank goodness.  All of them were
> > > > > just like you and me, they have a job to do and they just
> > > > > want to be respected like anyone.  We have several police
> > > > > SHO owners/enthusiasts that seem like normal people to me...
> > > > >
> > > > > As for ticking off the police if you carry the regs with
> > > > > you, I already mentioned, it could happen, but one of our
> > > > > first SHO fanatics, had limo tint on all windows and even
> > > > > put the heated windshield from the Taurus in his SHO,
> > > > > because it had a bit of tint.  He had bad eyes that were
> > > > > light sensative and a prescription from his doctor for
> > > > > tinted windows.
> > > > >
> > > > > He would get pulled over all the time, but after presenting
> > > > > his "documentation", Cops genearally didn't bother him.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess it didn't hurt that he was an ex-cop himself?  :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Still, if someone is getting hastled like the original guy
> > > > > was, I would get the regs and have them handy and just
> > > > > present it in a nice way.
> > > > >
> > > > > Still won't stop a bad cop from making trouble, but it would
> > > > > help other times.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don Mallinson
> > > > >
> > > > > Al Fitz wrote:
> > > > > > I don't know about that Don, it seems to me that the police do
> > > whatever
> > > > they
> > > > > > want and only the courts can set them straight. By presenting
> > the
> > > cop
> > > > > > documentation at the stop would probably piss them off even
> > more.
> > > You
> > > > have
> > > > > > to remember, in their minds, they are not always right but
> > they're
> > > NEVER
> > > > > > wrong. Until cops have to answer for their actions, there is no
> > > > incentive
> > > > > > for them to follow the law.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My son recently got a ticket from an 18 year veteran of the
> > local PD
> > > for
> > > > > > willful reckless driving. Instead of paying the fine we went to
> > > court
> > > > and
> > > > > > the judge told the cop he should go back to the academy and
> > learn
> > > the
> > > > law
> > > > > > and dismissed the complaint. Of course when my Son was stopped,
> > the
> > > cop
> > > > was
> > > > > > a total asshole and I'm sure he will be watching for my kid now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Al Fitz
> > > > > > alfitz@alfitz.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
> > > > > > To: "SHOtimes" <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:00 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Window tinting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>That cop that made the out of state driver remove tint in
> > > > > >>Nashville is flat out wrong.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>A state can't enforce a law that doesn't apply to another
> > > > > >>state's driver!  Oh, I know, the cop was being a hard case
> > > > > >>and there was probably little that the driver could do about
> > > > > >>it.  And the driver would have won if taken to court.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>When a state cop pulled over my wife because of a minor
> > > > > >>crack in a windshield in our MGB, I went to the state regs
> > > > > >>and found that a cracked windshield is NOT illegal unless it
> > > > > >>weakens the structure, or is in such a location and size
> > > > > >>that it restricts sight.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I copied that page and kept it with the car, doing something
> > > > > >>like that if you have tint that is legal in your state
> > > > > >>(along with a receipt from the tint company showing the % of
> > > > > >>tint) would probably stop any future problems like this as
> > > > > >>long as you hadn't already ticked off the cop.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Don Mallinson
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Carl Prochilo wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>Rick,  It's probably state dependent.  Limo tint is fairly
> > common
> > > down
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>Again about state laws, having lived most of my life in NY
> > state,
> > > > window
> > > > > >>>tinting was much less common than what I see here in FL.
> > Because
> > > of
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > that,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>I imagine that the darker shades will draw attention from law
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > enforcement
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>in the northern states, so staying legal is more important.
> > > > > >>
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