[Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan

[Jason Hartberger]

I like the CTS a lot... but then again, I liked the Pontiac Aztec, too. I
understand I'm one of about 3 people in the country that liked how that car
looked. Oh well. My mother always did say I was a strange child...

Jason


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
To: "'_ShoTimes'" <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan


> Ron,
>
> Surprised yuu don't know the answer to your question about
> why the Chevy engine?  The Northstar won't fit in the CTS
> engine bay. The four valve OHC Northstar is a lot wider.
>
> The CTS is a sales winner for Caddy, and style is a very
> subjective thing, a lot of folks don't agree with you.  I am
> a bit neutral on the CTS, but think it looks a lot better
> than most new stuff from Japan and is WAY better than the
> "Bangle" BMW's and most BMW owners and club members agree
> with ME on that.
>
> And that "Chevy" motor is a superb engine in its own right.
>   It does the job, is dependable, puts out the power and can
> be fixed in almost any city in the civilized world.
>
> It isn't always about complication/exotic"ness", sometimes
> it is just about being good and a good value.  I know two
> people that have the CTS-V and they used to own much more
> expensive BMW's.  They love their "Chevy" powered Caddy, and
> couldn't care less where the cams are.
>
> Don Mallinson
>
> Ron Porter wrote:
>
> > Same deal with the CTS-V. Now, I hate the styling and wouldn't consider
one
> > anyway, but IMNSHO they would have had a really legitimate Hot Rod
Cadillac
> > with a 6.0 liter or bigger Northstar engine, and not a "Chevy" motor.
And
> > yes, friends of mine, who would be potential customers for this car,
have
> > the same view. Cadillac used the Northstar in the rest of their line,
why go
> > cheap on the CTS? With a real Northstar motor, the price could be higher
and
> > they would have a real BMW 5-series competitor. And I know it's hard for
you
> > young guys to understand, but most older folks who will spend $50K on a
car
> > will easily spend $60K+ for a better car.
> >
> > Cadillac still don't get it!!
> >
> > Ron Porter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Jason Hartberger
> > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 4:57 PM
> > To: Jarrod Clift; '_ShoTimes'
> > Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan
> >
> >
> > I have no issues with the LS1, and I agree that it's a fantastic engine,
but
> > the reason I say what I do is, well, the LS1 is so common! they're even
> > putting them in PT cruisers (not from the factory, tho), and it dilutes
the
> > value of the engine, IMO. One of the reasons the SHO engine is so
special is
> > because Ford never put it in another car, and very, very, very few other
> > cars have a SHO engine. Hell, few other people know what a SHO engine
is.
> >
> > Anyhoo, you're dead-on for all the other points. The GTO has a soul all
its
> > own and a helluva history, especially for people that used to own one
(like
> > my dad... feel old yet?), and Pontiac just butchered its name and its
> > history by putting out this (foreign!) thing. They figured they could
cash
> > off the name with any ol' car. They were wrong. Cars aren't like shoes;
you
> > can't just stick a name on it and make it 'good'.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jarrod Clift" <clift@chartertn.net>
> > To: "'_ShoTimes'" <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 3:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan
> >
> >
> >
> >>The LS1 is one of the best V8's made IMO. The GTO is not selling well
> >>because it looks bland and because the dealers were greedy and marking
> >>it up way over sticker.  A lot of people wanted it to look more retro
> >>styled, like the new mustang.  If it were called something other than
> >>GTO a lot of the complaints (like styling) would go away.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> >>[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Hartberger
> >>Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 11:47 AM
> >>To: Leigh Smith; '_ShoTimes'
> >>Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan
> >>
> >>I think the GTO isn't selling not because it's underappreciated by the
> >>public, but because the public feels betrayed by Pontiac using an
> >>australian
> >>chassis around an engine that ain't 'all that and a bag of chips'. I
> >>know it
> >>goes fast, but it just doesn't look... like a GTO. It's a cheap sellout
> >>and
> >>the public knows it.
> >>
> >>Jason
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