Probably not broken. Like older cars, they just need to be warmed up a little more before they'll start, but once started, you still get a nice ride :) =================== From: "Rick Glass" <rick@pitroadproducts.com> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Cooling system woes Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:37:07 -0600 I need one of them giggle valves for my wife, I think hers is broken.