[Shotimes] OT : Apache hit

[Shylo McKinsey]

IIRC, Apaches fly in groups (don't remember the
correct term...maybe "flight" or squadron) of 8. The
flight leader gives permission to go "weapons hot"
which gives each individual ship to engage threats at
their discretion. Usually the flight leader is towards
the center (if they're spread out in a line
formation)...

Shylo McKinsey

'91 White MTX

--- Paul L Fisher <sho@paul-fisher.com> wrote:
> The video they played on the news, you heard them
> ask for permission from
> either a ground controller or a command aircraft for
> permission to engage
> and they were told to "Smoke them". 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:23 AM
> To: Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT : Apache hit
> 
> Never fails that I am the last to see what everyone
> saw a weeke ago :)
>  
> Mike, your points are well taken, but...
>  
> On your point one:  Remember the video of the
> Columbia coming down last year
> caught by an Apache camera that was "running" on the
> tarmac?  The people's
> voices are clear and the helicopter was in audible. 
> I also believe this is
> consistent with other Apache video I have seen.
>  
> On your point two: They were Iraqis, and I am
> guessing weren't to incredibly
> sure WHICH direction to go.
>  
> On your point three: And somebody correct me if I am
> wrong, but isn't there
> normally a command helicopter that sits back a mile
> or so with a commanding
> officer in most Apache "battlefield" operations?
>  
> Same site that hosts has an interesting breakdown of
> the vid
> http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/apache.shtml
>  
> How the Iraqis have the balls to even think of
> messing with these copters is
> beyond me.
>  
> -Sweeney
> 
> Mike.Wojton@us.o-i.com wrote:
> This has been going around work here lately. There's
> been some discussion on
> what this actually is.
> 
> First my disclaimer: I know nothing about any
> military things.
> Particularly weapons or aircraft. Nor are my
> comments meant to "devalue" in
> any way the military. These are just my observa-
> tions.
> 
> 1. You can't hear the helicopter. I would think you
> could hear it a little
> bit in the background. It's almost perfectly quiet
> in between the voice
> transmissions. Except for the gun of course.
> 
> 2. After the first guy is hit, the other guys don't
> seem very interested in
> finding any cover. It's only the last guy who was
> hiding under the truck.
> 
> 3. My first impression was that this is some kind of
> training thing. The guy
> shooting is taking total direction form some "guy in
> charge".
> 
> 
> Mike Wojton
> Toledo, Ohio
> 
> -'95 White MTX
> '96 Brake Upgrade
> 
> "Avoid the clap." - Jimmy Dugan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> shotimes-admin@autox.team.net wrote on 01/27/2004
> 08:17:31 AM:
> 
> > Don't know who these folks are, but they're bad
> day is over.
> > 
> > Warning: Gratuitous heat-image carnage
> > 
> >
> http://www.thecia.net/users/stewarte/apachehits.mpg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Sweeney
> > 
> > 
> > 
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