[Shotimes] Question about MAF, and Sway bars..
Paul Nimz
pnimz@v8sho.com
Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:16:48 -0500
IMHO the frame should be stiffened first with the SFCs. Any load added
through sway bars or springs will stress the floor pan.
Paul Nimz
'97 TR
'93 EG mtx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leigh Smith" <leighsm@comcast.net>
To: <gr8sho@adelphia.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Question about MAF, and Sway bars..
> Compared to many 94-95 Gen IIs, Gen I sway bars have exactly a 30% stiffer
> rate and the springs are also exactly 30% stiffer. (94 w/ 20.5/23 bars,
> SLO
> springs at 155/100).
> (89 w/ 200/130 springs and 24/26 bars).
> (Eibachs are actually softer than Gen I springs, but variable.)
> IIRC the Ford shocks are exactly the same.
> The springs and bars should always be tuned first, since they determine
> the
> basic chassis setup, as they are the only items that really carry any
> load..
> Everything else is secondary, including shocks, bushings, etc. they are
> just
> fine tuning the basic feel, however they have the greatest effect on
> transients, and bump impact harshness.
>
> The VAPS was softened even more extremely than the springs, to maybe half
> as
> stiff as an 89 rack.
> I unplugged the VAPS, and depending on where in the varying cycle you pull
> the plug, you get various stiffnesses.( The VAPS has a test mode during
> which it varies from full soft to full stiff.) It can vary from way too
> soft
> to way too stiff. At least it stays steady after you pull the plug.
> Haven't
> found a close match to the 89 stiffness yet, but currently my steering is
> much stiffer than the 89. So sooner or later I should hit the right "spot"
> Now if anyone knew how to make a controller for a stepping motor, we'd be
> all set! Then we could "dial in" the VAPS. Tried finding one, but I'm not
> good enough with electronics.
>
> Lee
> PS: Fired up my factory new 3.0 today! 12 miles now.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Prochilo" <gr8sho@prochilo.myserver.org>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Question about MAF, and Sway bars..
>
>
>> How do you solve item 3? I didn't think the VAPS could be made to work
>> like the standard power steering offered in the 89-92s.
>>
>> About the original question. The comparison is bogus because one is
>> comparing apples and oranges with the stated cars. You can make some
>> drastic changes to the feel of the 95 just by changing the rubber
>> subframe
>> bushings to aluminum.
>>
>> The important thing to note is that a 95 (gen 2) has a stiffer body than
>> a
>> gen 1 but is otherwise the same car with one notable exception, that
>> being
>> the power steering. The other suspension parts can be more easily
>> swapped
>> out. You can throw poly on all the tension strut rods, end links, and
>> anti-sway bars, do the AlSFBs, put Tokicos or Koni struts plus Eibach
>> springs, and you will have a very stiff ride. Put 17" wheels with
>> Z-rated
>> rubber and you crank it yet another notch.
>>
>> Having said all this, I don't think this would a comfortable ride on
>> northern roads for a daily driver.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Carl Prochilo
>> 92 Ultra Red Crimson
>>
>> On Mon, September 13, 2004 10:25 pm, Leigh Smith said:
>> > Yes the sway bars will make a big difference. So will a couple other
>> > things.
>> > My 94 MTX also rode like a boat compared to my stock 89.
>> > I found there are three main items on the 94 that have a considerably
>> > softer
>> > spring rate, starting with the most significant:
>> > sway bars
>> > springs
>> > steering effort
>> >
>> > If you liked the ride of the 90, I would probably change things one at
>> > a
>> > time, in descending order, as noted.
>> >
>> > Lee
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Marc Levy" <malevy_nj@yahoo.com>
>> > To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
>> > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:00 PM
>> > Subject: [Shotimes] Question about MAF, and Sway bars..
>> >
>> >
>> >> First the MAF:
>> >>
>> >> I purchased this MAF from FPS many years ago.. I
>> >> recall it was from a Mustang?? I measured it, one
>> >> side is 73mm the other is 80mm.. Is this the "bad"
>> >> one that I saw discussed on the list last week? I
>> >> never even used the thing, and want to know if it will
>> >> do me any good on the 95 MTX.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Then the sway bars:
>> >>
>> >> Also, was reading up on the sway bar messages last
>> >> week. I dont know what is on the 95, but I think it
>> >> is stock.. I took the bars off of the 90, and I think
>> >> they are 25mm and 26mm.. Is it a good idea to install
>> >> them on the 95? I find the 95 is like a boat compared
>> >> to the 90.. the 90 did have the Eibach springs, and
>> >> FPS aluminum subframe mounts... as well as what I
>> >> thought were derilin bushings on everything.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> While I am doing all of this work.... is there such a
>> >> thing as a performance strut mount? Or are the ones at
>> >> NAPA good enough?
>> >>
>> >> Thx.
>> >>
>> >>
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