[Shotimes] OT: Ebay discount coupons

[Jim & Debbie Leyden]

I agree wholeheartedly.

I have owned five SHO's and I currently own three.  Two are heavily modded
and one is bone stock.  All three have very different personalities and the
two modded ones will surprise a lot of seemingly faster cars.  I enjoy the
hell out of all three and I don't intend to get rid of them soon.

Jim

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To: Mark Nunnally
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Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT: Ebay discount coupons

Mark, you have a lot of great points, and thee is one other great point to
messing with a SHO, and it's my favorite.  It's fun, casue so very few
people do it :)  Personally I like the personality of having a very custom
modded car vs. a stock faster car with a huge aftermarket and some
bolt-ons.  Sure you could take a 5.0 mustang, gut it and put a blower on it
and have a car that makes big grins, but it's been done... a lot.  Now how
many folks are buying Taurii and making them go fast, not a lot.

I also contend that with a car with a very miniscule aftermarket, going fast
requires not only a pocketbook, but a brain and ability to create and make
modifications.  On a high volume car you just go buy a blower package and
strap it in place.  On a SHO you custom craft each part becasue there are no
kits.  And each person's car is just a bit different in the way they are
(look at all the different variations of SHO blower setups)

So to me the SHO, like other cars that just "shouldn't be that fast" are fun
becasue of the amount of care and work it takes to make it that way.  So
Mark, I'm with you, it's a lot of fun

Z

On 12/12/05, Mark Nunnally <marknunnally@joimail.com> wrote:
>
>
> If you are building an all out track car (solo1 timed event, or
> NASA/SCCA/EMRA etc competition), things get real even (ie $$ invested)
> when it comes to cage/fabrication work, safety gear, track wheels/tires,
> brakes, datalogging, communication, etc.  Any car you build is gonna cost
> at least X amount of $$.  The advantage of the SHO is cheap buy in price
> for a building block (chassis).  They are nearly free!
>
> Serious track work (modified 911's, vipers, Z06, etc) takes BIG bucks
> if you run door to door, probably more $$ than anybody on this list
> has or would be willing to spend!  Chris Ingle (local who runs a Z06
> in SCCA T1) was telling me some figures for a budget like that', it's
> huge.  Big big money.  A used Z06 is $25k-$32k depending on what you
> get, and you'd spend $45k prep'd to run T1 mid pack or up front.  And
> that's just the car.
>
> Also depends on what class you plan to do serious track work in, there
> are some "serious" all out spec miata's my 92 (street car) will blow
> the doors off of on a track like road atlanta.  To go run 2:teens at
> watkins glen or low 1:40's at road atlanta is gonna take at least a
> SHO with 300 hp and sub 2800 lb, which can be pretty fun, to go any
> faster would take a bunch more $$, even if you went to another car.
>
> There are a lot of guys with a passion to race (spec miata, these new
> import classes - honda, etc) that don't have big buck funding.  So if
> you want to race, just gotta find what you can afford and go have fun.
>
> It's hard to find that "sweet spot" of all out speed vs money.  Buy a
> better base car to build from, but spend more $$ up front.  Buy a
> cheap car like the SHO, and have lots of $$ to play with for upgrades,
> but eventually hit design/engineering limitations.  Spend too much up
> front, and don't have much for other upgrades that are required and
> end up going slower than a crappy car with a bunch of work.
>
> I'd say for the SHO that curve would start to tail off around $12-14k.
> You could build a decent race car (NASA touring car series for
> example) for that, but to go faster would require tons more bucks
> (base car engineering limits).  Time to find another car.  But this is
> all in the context of just trying to be a mid pack or better car in a
> given series.
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