unions was Re: [Shotimes] Re: (OT) How to avoid the pitfalls of pricing Former Porsche boss: There's no 'right price' for a car

[Al Fitz]

The big problem with New York is that they asked for concessions from the
union and then after getting the concessions, bragged about their $1 billion
surplus this year.

That would certainly piss me off.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Fisher" <dataflash@yahoo.com>
To: "Peter Chase" <pbchase@gmail.com>; <techsho@topica.com>; "Sholist"
<shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: unions was Re: [Shotimes] Re: (OT) How to avoid the pitfalls of
pricing Former Porsche boss: There's no 'right price' for a car


> I find the outrage over the NY MTA strike to be a bit
> humorous. SEPTA strikes in Philadelphia at least once
> a year and people around here don't get as upset.
>
> I feel that unions are necessary for protecting
> worker's rights. I wish I had one in my previous job.
> I was abused by my manager, humiliated and forced into
> situations that I felt were unethical and
> unprofessional. Our Human Resources rep was usually a
> joke so I had nowhere to turn. I actually investigated
> the possibility of unionizing but it would have been
> difficult. Thank god I am no longer with that company.
>
> I agree that some unions seem to have questionable
> interests in mind and I feel that these  particular
> few give a bad name to a lot of other unions out there
> that do make a positive difference. With so many jobs
> being outsourced overseas, tight budgets and stressful
> work environments, it's nice to have the power of
> unity  whenever possible. I have learned that a
> single worker by him or herself is powerless to affect
> change or stand up for their rights by themself.
>
> I am working part time at the moment; I had the option
> of joining my particular union but I'm going to hold
> off until I am full time next year as it will be more
> beneficial to me at that time. I'm happy with my
> current job but I can't wait to finally be part of a
> union.
>
> Ian
>
> --- Peter Chase <pbchase@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, with the NY MTA strike going on right now (god
> > bless any of y'all who
> > work in NYC), it makes me wonder (even more) why we
> > still have unions.  I
> > totally understand how during the industrial
> > revolution, unions allowed
> > workers better bargaining power for REASONABLE
> > wages, better safety in
> > plants, and keeping limits on # of hours worked per
> > day, week, etc.  Now
> > that we have federal minimum wage rates, OSHA, and
> > other labor laws, aren't
> > unions kind of unnecesary these days?  (Leaving
> > myself wide open for
> > enlightenment if I seem ignorant, here)
> >
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > On 12/20/05, Mark Nunnally
> > <marknunnally@joimail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Remember one of the major issues with the
> > "employee pricing". The Big 3
> > > are
> > > >saddled with the "pay me anyway" UAW contracts,
> > so they don't save squat
> > > >when they shut down a line.
> > >
> > > That and the obvious healthcare costs (at least
> > for GM), are what are
> > > killing them (or have already killed them).  That
> > and the endless line
> > (save
> > > a few) of ho hum cars that nobody cares about
> > anyway!
> > >
> > > The '98 convention plant tour of the 3.0L and 2.5L
> > duratech motors was a
> > > real eye opener for me.  The little 5th grade
> > reading level charts (with
> > > pictures!) at each of the various work stations so
> > they could just swap
> > > workers around and "learn" a new skill and fill in
> > at any station.  I will
> > > never forget the connecting rod station, where a
> > box of 6 end caps and rods
> > > would come floating down the line at 1/2 mph while
> > 6 workers (3 on each
> > > side) sat on cushy stools dropping bearings in the
> > caps and rods.  A stupid
> > > 5th grader could do that, was 7 yrs ago, and they
> > were probably making
> > close
> > > to 2x then what I make now in 2005!
> > >
> > > mark
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