[Shotimes] Eibach springs with stock struts?

[Adam Parrott]

Dave and everyone,

Just my brief $0.02 here, but I've been running Gen 2 Moog cargo coils 
with KYB GR-2's on my '95 ATX since last January, when myself and a fellow 
LSSHOC member completely overhauled the original 137k suspension.

End result was similar to what has been reported by others thus far - a 
firmer but more compliant ride in the rear (with or without a load) and a 
generally better but more pogo-like ride in the front, especially when 
travelling over road bumps and potholes.  Like the others here, I believe 
that the increased pogo effect was caused by the inability of the GR-2's 
to keep up with the more progressive cargo coil spring up front, a 
condition which is aggravated by the GR-2's weaker valving 
characteristics.  Also of note after the 'pension overhaul was that the 
car seemed to sit noticeably higher than before, a result I attributed to 
the new (uncut) cargo coils.

To remedy to this problem, I plan to a) replace the GR-2's with some 
Tokico's I picked up locally, b) modify the existing cargo coils by 
cutting a coil or so off of the fronts, and c) mate the Tokico's to the 
modified cargo coils and enjoy the benefits of both a lowered stance and 
no pogo.

That's what I'm telling myself, anyways.  ;)

Adam


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Garber" <dgarber@servicelinklp.com>
To: <gr8sho@adelphia.net>; <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Eibach springs with stock struts?


>I don't know. After reading Marks comments and Ian's earlier, I'm
> thinking the Eibach/Tokico combo might do the trick. The car used to
> have the ASB's, but I swapped those out for the Gen 3 units a month ago.
> MAJOR improvement for me! The car also has Nook's long SFC's and the
> 22/26 sway bar combo.
>
> I appreciate everyone's input! It's not all that often that I find
> myself needing help with the car, but when I do I always find what I'm
> looking for on this list..
>
>
> Dave Garber
> Pittsburgh, PA
> 99 White, 79k
> 94 Blue MTX, 191k
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl Prochilo
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:34 AM
> To: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Eibach springs with stock struts?
>
> Dave,  You're getting a lot of help/advice here simply because there are
> a lot of people that have changed their suspension.  Quick question
> though, do you have any other suspension mods like aluminum subframe
> bushings or other poly bushings?  IF yes, these things have a pronounced
> effect on ride quality.
>
> Anyway, having read through this entirely I really sense the strong
> concern you have about the ride quality and it seems that the best
> course of action is to set the car back to factory specs.
> --
> Cheers,
> Carl Prochilo
> 92 Ultra Red Crimson
>
> On Fri, February 25, 2005 9:10 pm, Dave Garber said:
>> I'm looking for the combination that best emulates the ride/handling
>> of my 99. Whether that's stock springs with the GR-2's, or the Eibachs
>> with the Tokico's I don't know. Anyone here have an opinion?
>>
>>
>> Dave Garber
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim & Debbie Leyden [mailto:jndleyden@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 7:51 PM
>> To: 'Dave'; 'Ron Porter'
>> Cc: Dave Garber; 'shotimes'
>> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] Eibach springs with stock struts?
>>
>> I agree 100%.  I have Koni's and SHOshop linear springs on my '95 MTX.
>> That HAS to be the worst combination there is.  The car is so low that
>
>> it scrapes on everything and a dip in the road will scrape the front
>> cat. I'm watching this thread with interest since I need to replace the
>> struts/springs on my '93 MTX. I'm considering returning my '95 to bone 
>>  >> stock and using some of the parts on my wife's '93.  Since she 
>> already
>> has Koni's and Eibach's, she doesn't need the Koni's from my '95, so I
>> have been thinking of trying the Koni's on a set of MOOG Cargo Coil
>> springs for my '93.  Anyone ever tried this combination?  Anyone know 
>> of
>> the correct spring numbers for a GENII?  I have heard different stories
>> about the CC springs.  One person tells me that they raise the car
>> waaaayyyy to much.  Another says that you have to use springs from a
>> different application to get the correct ride height.
>>
>> Jim
>> '95 White, back on the road today after getting a clutch and tranny
>> swap at FPS.
>> '93 Red, still drivable but needs the rear bumper cover and one
>> taillight
>> '93 White, still sitting at FPS waiting disposition