In a message dated 1/19/2005 3:54:35 PM Central Standard Time, ronporter@prodigy.net writes: Anyone have anything against D4? I've been running D4 for ~60k and would highly recommend it! MTL was good, a huge improvement over OE, but D4 was even better! I can get just a bit less than 3 qts in after a drain [with a tranny drain added]. Bob 93 MTX