A first car is first freedom. They will forget the big floaty part as soon as they get to go out and DRIVE. Don M Yep, that's the usual trajectory... "I've got a car that's as big as a whale And it's ready to set saaaail..!" -- B-52s, "Love Shack" Cheers, Mark L. 94 atx 130k complete with parts #s for idler pulleys!